List, I never saw one, but the old timers who worked on the B&sw told that they had afew on Dayton hill whuch was 2.24 &2.50 %grade. I worked on s crew and we lost our iar and were going55 mph at one point. But we didn"t have any derailment. Jerry H .3294 The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org ------------------------------
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