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RE: (erielack) West End (2)

Subject: RE: (erielack) West End (2)
From: Mike Spinelli <idrsspin_@_yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:07:56 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-W12DC53E333DEC7FA257DB86050_@_phx.gbl>
No that's fine. I was going by "popular" B&O history.
   
  Mike

Michael Connor <mjconnor_rr_@_hotmail.com> wrote:
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You might want to "recorrect" yourself re the PRR west of Newark -- the PRR owned and undivided one-half interest in the 33.1+/- mile line between Newark and Columbus.  It was absolutely not Trackage Rights and dates to an agreement between the Steubenville & Indiana RR (the PRR predecessor) and the Central Ohio Railroad (the B&O predecessor) c. 1864.  Under the agreement the CO (B&O) operated and maintained the line for the account of both railroads, each of which had full commercial access to on-line industries.  The operation was known as the "Columbus & Newark Division."   Even B&O (and later CSXT) folks had to be reminded that they were a partner, not the landlord, on this stretch of line.  The remote Erie connection to this, other than the original thread, is that the H J Jewett, later an Erie (NYLE&W IIRC) President, was President of the S&I and a cousin, another Jewett, Receiver or President of the CO.  Anyway needing to know the minutae of the Jewetts in this
 essentially PRR-B&O deal may contact off list.
M J Connor





  
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  > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:18:09 -0700
> From: idrsspin_@_yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: (erielack) West End (2)
> To: erielack_@_lists.elhts.org
> 
> I need to correct myself, Pennsy rails ran only as far
> as Newark, Ohio. They had rights over the B&O from
> Newark to Columbus. There are no rights anymore as the
> former Panhandle and the former B&O from Columbus to
> Cambridge is all Ohio Central now.
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- Michael Connor <mjconnor_rr_@_hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > All
> > The Pittsburgh-Columbus portion of the PRR was
> > cursed to c. 1950 with a number of very close
> > clearance tunnels in the 30 miles or so west of the
> > Ohio River. The PRR bypassed all of them except
> > Gould Tunnel which was ultimately single-tracked and
> > slightly improved. It was a multi-million dollar
> > project, all privately funded, and earned the
> > Federal Government's lasting contempt, as did most
> > railroad investments.
> > MJC
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > From: rbehrendt_@_columbus.rr.com> To:
> > idrsspin_@_yahoo.com; erielack@lists.elhts.org>
> > Subject: Re: (erielack) West End (2)> Date: Fri, 27
> > Oct 2006 19:56:15 -0400> > Mike,> I'm not aware of
> > any tunnels being daylighted on the Pan Handle in
> > OH, as > Gould Tunnel in eastern OH still survives,
> > and is seen as an impediment in > not being able to
> > handle double-stack traffic.> > The PanHandle was
> > torn out in WV and PA, as well as west of Columbus,
> > but as > you say, is still in service under Ohio
> > Central from Mingo Jct. westward > into Columbus -
> > also occassionally handles some occasional NS >
> > run-through/detour traffic...> > Rich Behrendt> ELHS
> > #384> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike
> > Spinelli" <idrsspin_@_yahoo.com>> To: "EL List"
> > <erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>> Sent: Thursday, October
> > 26, 2006 10:03 PM> Subject: Re: (erielack) West End>
> > > > > Do you mean they used the PC Ft Wayne line in
> > lieu of the EL?> >> > The Panhandle ran from
> > Pittsburgh through Columbus, more or less. It w!
> > as > > another line where millions of dollars was
> > spent rehabbing, new signal > > system, daylighting
> > tunnels, etc only to be downgraded to a single track
> > > > branch and then put up for abandonment. The
> > state bought it and the Ohio > > Central operates
> > it.> >> > In both cases, millions of dollars were
> > flushed right down the toilet.> >> > Mike> >> > Walt
> > Fles <eriewalt_@_hotmail.com> wrote:> > What is sad
> > also is that Conrail decided to utilize the PC
> > panhandle line > > in> > lieu of the EL (they
> > interchanged in North Judson). In 1983 then this PC>
> > > line was abandoned.> > ----- Original Message
> > ----- > > From: "Philip Albano"> >> > To: "EL List">
> > > Cc: "Schuyler Larrabee"> > Sent: Thursday, October
> > 26, 2006 8:31 AM> > Subject: RE: (erielack) West
> > End> >> >> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message----->
> > >>>From: Schuyler Larrabee> >>>Sent: Oct 25, 2006
> > 9:10 PM> >>>To: 'Philip Albano'> > ,
> > erielack_@_lists.elhts.org> >>>Subject: RE: (erielack)
> > West End> >>>> >>>> >>> On Behalf Of Philip!
> > Albano> >>>>> >>>> The EL trustees eventually sold
> > the line t!
> > o L.B. F
> > oster for> >>>> over $17 million. L.B. Foster
> > removed the track and ballast> >>>> in 1981.> >>>>
> > >>>And shortly after that, there was an article in a
> > magazine (Railway Track> >>>& Structures?) which>
> > >>>covered that removal. It commented that it was a
> > very well built line, in> >>>good shape, and in
> > much> >>>better condition than either the former PRR
> > or the former NYC.> >>>> >>>It was sort of hard to
> > read that!> >>>> >>>SGL> >>>> >>> >> Thanks for
> > adding that Schuyler and very true. The former PRR
> > west of> >> Crestline was in terrible shape and
> > Conrail spent millions in the late> >> 1970's on
> > trackwork. At times there were as many as 4
> > temporary block> >> stations with operators in
> > service at various locations copying train> >>
> > orders and crossing trains over to run against the
> > current of traffic> >> around trackwork. Conrail
> > could have saved money by installing a> >>
> > connection at Mansfield, Ohio where both roads
> > crossed and used the EL> >> main to go to Chicago
> > and let the!
> > PRR go.> >>> >> As per my post of yesterday,
> > ultimately the West End of the EL was worth> >> more
> > in scrap value than as an operating railroad. Sad.>
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