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RE: (erielack) West End (2)



MikeYou might want to "recorrect" yourself re the PRR west of Newark -- the PRR owned and undivided one-half interest in the 33.1+/- mile line between Newark and Columbus.  It was absolutely not Trackage Rights and dates to an agreement between the Steubenville & Indiana RR (the PRR predecessor) and the Central Ohio Railroad (the B&O predecessor) c. 1864.  Under the agreement the CO (B&O) operated and maintained the line for the account of both railroads, each of which had full commercial access to on-line industries.  The operation was known as the "Columbus & Newark Division."   Even B&O (and later CSXT) folks had to be reminded that they were a partner, not the landlord, on this stretch of line.  The remote Erie connection to this, other than the original thread, is that the H J Jewett, later an Erie (NYLE&W IIRC) President, was President of the S&I and a cousin, another Jewett, Receiver or President of the CO.  Anyway needing to know the minutae of the Jewetts in this essentially PRR-B&O deal may contact off list.M J Connor> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:18:09 -0700> From: idrsspin_@_yahoo.com> Subject: RE: (erielack) West End (2)> To: erielack@lists.elhts.org> > I need to correct myself, Pennsy rails ran only as far> as Newark, Ohio. They had rights over the B&O from> Newark to Columbus. There are no rights anymore as the> former Panhandle and the former B&O from Columbus to> Cambridge is all Ohio Central now.> > Mike> > --- Michael Connor <mjconnor_rr@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > All> > The Pittsburgh-Columbus portion of the PRR was> > cursed to c. 1950 with a number of very close> > clearance tunnels in the 30 miles or so west of the> > Ohio River.  The PRR bypassed all of them except> > Gould Tunnel which was ultimately single-tracked and> > slightly improved.  It was a multi-million dollar> > project, all privately funded, and earned the> > Federal Government's lasting contempt, as did most> > railroad investments.> > MJC> > > > > > > > > From: rbehrendt@columbus.rr.com> To:> > idrsspin@yahoo.com; erielac!
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elhts.org>> > Subject: Re: (erielack) West End (2)> Date: Fri, 27> > Oct 2006 19:56:15 -0400> > Mike,> I'm not aware of> > any tunnels being daylighted on the Pan Handle in> > OH, as > Gould Tunnel in eastern OH still survives,> > and is seen as an impediment in > not being able to> > handle double-stack traffic.> > The PanHandle was> > torn out in WV and PA, as well as west of Columbus,> > but as > you say, is still in service under Ohio> > Central from Mingo Jct. westward > into Columbus -> > also occassionally handles some occasional NS >> > run-through/detour traffic...> > Rich Behrendt> ELHS> > #384> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike> > Spinelli" <idrsspin_@_yahoo.com>> To: "EL List"> > <erielack@lists.elhts.org>> Sent: Thursday, October> > 26, 2006 10:03 PM> Subject: Re: (erielack) West End>> > > > > Do you mean they used the PC Ft Wayne line in> > lieu of the EL?> >> > The Panhandle ran from> > Pittsburgh through Columbus, more or less. It w!> >  as > > another line where millions of dollars was> > spent rehabbing, new signal > > system, daylighting> > tunnels, etc only to be downgraded to a single track> > > > branch and then put up for abandonment. The> > state bought it and the Ohio > > Central operates> > it.> >> > In both cases, millions of dollars were> > flushed right down the toilet.> >> > Mike> >> > Walt> > Fles <eriewalt@hotmail.com> wrote:> > What is sad> > also is that Conrail decided to utilize the PC> > panhandle line > > in> > lieu of the EL (they> > interchanged in North Judson). In 1983 then this PC>> > > line was abandoned.> > ----- Original Message> > ----- > > From: "Philip Albano"> >> > To: "EL List">> > > Cc: "Schuyler Larrabee"> > Sent: Thursday, October> > 26, 2006 8:31 AM> > Subject: RE: (erielack) West> > End> >> >> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message----->> > >>>From: Schuyler Larrabee> >>>Sent: Oct 25, 2006> > 9:10 PM> >>>To: 'Philip Albano'> > ,> > erielack@lists.elhts.org> >>>Subject: RE: (erielack)> > West End> >>>> >>>> >>> On Behalf Of Philip!> >   Albano> >>>>!
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he EL trustees eventually sold> > the line t!> >  o L.B. F> > oster for> >>>> over $17 million. L.B. Foster> > removed the track and ballast> >>>> in 1981.> >>>>> > >>>And shortly after that, there was an article in a> > magazine (Railway Track> >>>& Structures?) which>> > >>>covered that removal. It commented that it was a> > very well built line, in> >>>good shape, and in> > much> >>>better condition than either the former PRR> > or the former NYC.> >>>> >>>It was sort of hard to> > read that!> >>>> >>>SGL> >>>> >>> >> Thanks for> > adding that Schuyler and very true. The former PRR> > west of> >> Crestline was in terrible shape and> > Conrail spent millions in the late> >> 1970's on> > trackwork. At times there were as many as 4> > temporary block> >> stations with operators in> > service at various locations copying train> >>> > orders and crossing trains over to run against the> > current of traffic> >> around trackwork. Conrail> > could have saved money by installing a> >>> > connection at Mansfield, Ohio where both roads> > crossed and used the EL> >> main to go to Chicago> > and let the!> >   PRR go.> >>> >> As per my post of yesterday,> > ultimately the West End of the EL was worth> >> more> > in scrap value than as an operating railroad. Sad.>> > >>> >>> >> PA> >>> >> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing> > List> >> Sponsored by the ELH&TS> >>> > http://www.elhts.org> >>> >> >> > The Erie> > Lackawanna Mailing List> > Sponsored by the ELH&TS>> > > http://www.elhts.org> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------> > Get your email> > and more, right on the new Yahoo.com> >> > The Erie> > Lackawanna Mailing List> > Sponsored by the ELH&TS>> > > http://www.elhts.org> >> >> > -- > > No virus> > found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG> > Free Edition.> > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database:> > 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: > > 10/27/2006> >> > >> > > > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List> Sponsored by> > the ELH&TS> http://www.elhts.org> >> ___________________________________________________________!
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