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Re: (erielack) Morristown & Erie interchange
What's the saying? (applying to Conrail): "We have seen the enemy, and the
enemy is us."
Steven Kay
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<Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com>
10/20/2006 09:35 cc
AM Al Holleuffer <DLW1155_@_aol.com>,
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Subject
Re: (erielack) Morristown & Erie
interchange
Chuck,
Yeah, apparently so, and this after Conrail's shortline people said
everything was just ducky with the boxcar traffic from the Gaine's Gravy
Train factory in the Midwest (Indianapolis?).
Talk about eating your young.
I think PJ's was our biggest on-line customer for a while. We had cars
laying all over the railroad waiting to get unloaded and that was after PJ
increased the unloading doors from two to six. There were a couple of
outbound loads too over the time they were in the Vornado complex.
Steve
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Running trains over Transitıs torturous
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> From: <Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com>
> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:23:33 -0400
> To: Steven Kay <s.kay4_@_verizon.net>
> Cc: Al Holleuffer <DLW1155_@_aol.com>, The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> <erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>, <erielack-owner@lists.elhts.org>
> Subject: Re: (erielack) Morristown & Erie interchange
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> Steve,
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> Intermodal salesmen from Conrail?? You mean Conrail was cannibalizing
its
> own rail business? Yikes!
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> Chuck
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> Steven Kay
> <s.kay4_@_verizon.n
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> 10/19/2006 06:45 Al Holleuffer <DLW1155_@_aol.com>
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> Chuck,
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> I remember spotting up at Paul Jefferies while holding onto 19 cars
> including the outbound empties. They had six doors, you could shove two
off
> the east end and let one hang off the west end without fouling the
> crossing.
> The rest went back across the street to wait their turn at the dock. The
> six
> empties would go back to Morristown.
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> There were two crossings on the street that went through the Vornado
> complex
> and we sometimes had enough cars to block both crossing sometimes
blocking
> cars in between them until we were ready to spot up.
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> The most cars I have shoved over Ridgedale Ave was 13. If there were 11
or
> fewer cars we could run around them in Whippany and shove from there. If
> there were more than 11 then we had to drop them on the grade between
Troy
> Hills Road and Algonquin Parkway. That hill was steeper than 3% if I
> remember (Al, can you help out here?). With 13 loaded cars, after you
bled
> off the air, the draft would start rolling before you released all the
hand
> brakes. It made for a pretty exciting ride.
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> PJ's had told us they were going to do 2,000 cars per year but it never
> came
> close to that. Most of the product was Gravy Train (appropriate?) dog
food
> with some paper product. While they started out heavy we began to see
> trucks
> from Railhead Transportation going in and out with containers. It seems
the
> intermodal salesmen from Conrail took our boxcars away. It was downhill
> from
> there.
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> Steve
> --
> Chauffeur to the masses
> www.ble272.org
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>> From: <Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com>
>> Reply-To: <Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:51:17 -0400
>> To: <DLW1155_@_aol.com>
>> Cc: <erielack_@_lists.elhts.org>, <erielack-owner@lists.elhts.org>
>> Subject: Re: (erielack) Morristown & Erie interchange
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>> Thanks, Al, for the comprehensive view of Vornado. I'm curious as to
the
>> most cars that you can recall ever getting switched in and out of there
> on
>> a given day? When I worked for Sandoz (the Novartis predecessor in East
>> Hanover) I always wondered if Sandoz ever used the M&E for shipments,
> even
>> though they were located about a mile away (from Vornado).
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>> Chuck
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>> DLW1155_@_aol.com
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>> 10/18/2006 08:27
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>> PM Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com
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>> Re: (erielack) Morristown & Erie
>> interchange
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>> In a message dated 10/18/2006 8:56:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> Charles_Walsh_@_Berlex.com writes:
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>> take it that this meant that Ridgedale Avenue must have been blocked a
>> good portion of the time.
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>> No, Ridgedale Avenue was rarely blocked as there was ample room to do
the
>> switching within the complex but switiching across the road through the
>> complex tied thoings up a lot and made headaches for the crew. After
>> Vornado exited the discount store business various companies rented
>> different buildings with some receiveing rail shipments but not all. The
>> building closest to Ridgedale Ave. saw very limited use under Vorando
>> receiving only an occasional load of rubber tires or automotive
> batteries.
>> After the closing of Vorando's Two Guys stores Paper Mart, Inc. bought
> this
>> building and has never used rail. The longest tenured tenent was Paul
>> Jefferies Warehouse, Inc., which leased the third building and got the
> bulk
>> of the inbound cars. Products included bagged dog food and disposable
>> diapers plus a few other things. A lawn chemical company and one other
>> warehosuing firm occupied the building across from Paul Jefferies and
got
> a
>> few cars, also. Can't recall their names at the moment. Another firm
>> superceded Paul Jefferies but high rents eventually forced all to
> relocate.
>> Two very large boilers destined for Novartis on Rte 10 were the last
>> revenue loads handled there as far as I know. They came in shortly
before
> I
>> left the M&E in 1995.
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>> Al Holleuffer
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