RE: (erielack) Special Day? What if?

["Fred Stratton" <erief7_@_msn.com>]

In retrospect, it would have been nice to have the Garrett Mountain line retained with it's multi track.  If the state would have balked about dropping commuter service or cutting it back, we could have had a junction istalled for the Greenwood Lake Branch to be serviced north of Mountain View off the Boonton Line. Remove the diamond in MT. View, and retain the Lackawanna's Mt. View station instead of the Erie's and cut back the Greenwood Lake Branch south of Mt. View since alot of it closer to Hoboken was serviced bu the D,L&W. But once agin, this is in retrospect and hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure the homeowners along the GL would be happy not to have long heavy trains falling in their back yard.





Fred Stratton

MP. 7.2 NS Asheville line

Salisbury, NC


From: Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com
Reply-To: Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com
To: "Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)" <paultup_@_lucent.com>
CC: erielack_@_lists.elhts.org, mdelvec952@aol.com
Subject: RE: (erielack) Special Day? What if?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:26:07 -0400
>I'll agree that the DL&W was desparate...no argument there. The Garrett
>Mountain deal with NJ-DOT was definitely with the EL's management, however,
>and Conrail used it--the abandonment of that short segment--as one reason
>for abandoning the Scranton Division 15 years later. As for the NY section
>of DL&W mainline...who knows? Actually, if the truth be known, I'm more
>upset with Perry Shoemaker than the Erie folks. Even Shoemaker
>subsequently had misgivings regarding his involvement in the EL merger.
>The big question 
is what could be have done differently?
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>Chuck
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>Chuck Walsh wrote:
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> > Yep. We're looking at the same map...and west of Binghamton,
> > as a result
> > of the EL merger, what wasn't abandoned outright on the DL&W side was
> > eventually downgraded to branch status during the early EL
> > years (that's
> > about 200 miles of a 396 mile mainline).
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>Wasn't 
htis process started pre-merger, when the Erie and DL&W consolidated
>their lines? Remember - the DL&W was beginning to struggle, with
>consolidation and single-tracking (think Cut-Off) the result of that. All
>the EL merger did is make it easier to "rationalize." Even without the
>merger, you would have seen the Lackawanna chopping to save $$$.
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> > In addition, the
> > Garret Mountain
> > section of the Boonton Line that you refer to, as well as the
> > mainline west
> > of Vestal, NY were sold off to the states of New Jersey and
> > New York to
> > become parts of Route I-80 and NY-17, respectively...for
> > which the railroad
> > was compensated.
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>But once again, the EL merger had no bearing on this, either.
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>By 
the way, at least one person came up with a way to "resurrect the DL&W"
>- read Steve Kay's "Background history" of his HO scale Lackawanna Terminal
>Railway here to see how he addressed restoring the DL&W:
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>http://www.ltths.org/lack.html
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> - Paul
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