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Re: (erielack) freight on the cutoff-later years
So? You were there working as the M & E dispatcher when it ran. What does
that have to do with it? You think that means you know?
You probably think you know the difference between a Turn and a Ordinary
too.
Who do you think you are?
(Sigh)
Best,
Len VanderJagt
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pennisi" <eldispatcher72_@_yahoo.com>
To: <KSmollin_@_aol.com>; <erielack@lists.elhts.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: (erielack) freight on the cutoff-later years
>
> listers,
>
> I beg to differ with you. It ran under the name of a Port Morris Turn.
> I know because I was working as the M&E dispatcher when it ran.
>
> Rich P
> KSmollin_@_aol.com wrote:
>
> The Port Morris Turn may have occasionally operated under the EL, but not
> under that name. The Turn was created in 1978 (April or May?) when Conrail
> revised the freight schedules on the Lackawanna. The last pair of trains
> on the
> Cutoff (CS9 and SC8) were abolished with freight forwarded between Port
> Morris
> and Scranton "as required". Since there was still a tremendous volume of
> online freight from Port Morris east, Conrail instituted the Port Morris
> Turn. I
> believe the Turn ran 6 days a week and it lasted up to November 1981. At
> that
> time, it was abolished as part of the overall plan to close Croxton. It
> was
> at that time that the Washington Secondary was upgraded and freight was
> brought
> into Port Morris and Dover via Allentown.
>
> Regarding the Cutoff, freight service became more and more sporadic
> throughout 1978 until Conrail officially embargoed the line in January
> 1979. After
> that, the only trains to run the Cutoff were the Amtrak Inspection Train
> (for
> proposed Scranton service) that ran in November 1979 and the scrap train
> in
> 1984/1985.
>
> The last "hurrah" for the Cutoff came in August 1978 when a derailment on
> the
> Delaware Division (Narrowsburg?) forced Conrail to detour everything via
> the
> Cutoff. At the time, the Delaware was still busy (the Ford Plant in Mahwah
> was still operating) and saw 8 to 10 trains a day.
>
>
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> Subject: Re: (erielack) Port Morris Turn
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> Keith, you might want to pass this along...
>
> The Port Morris Turn may have occasionally operated under the EL, but not
> under that name. The Turn was created in 1978 (April or May?) when Conrail
> revised the freight schedules on the Lackawanna. The last pair of trains
> on the Cutoff (CS9 and SC8) were abolished with freight forwarded between
> Port Morris and Scranton "as required". Since there was still a tremendous
> volume of online freight from Port Morris east, Conrail instituted the
> Port Morris Turn. I believe the Turn ran 6 days a week and it lasted up to
> November 1981. At that time, it was abolished as part of the overall plan
> to close Croxton. It was at that time that the Washington Secondary was
> upgraded and freight was brought into Port Morris and Dover via Allentown.
>
> Regarding the Cutoff, freight service became more and more sporadic
> throughout 1978 until Conrail officially embargoed the line in January
> 1979. After that, the only trains to run the Cutoff were the Amtrak
> Inspection Train (for proposed Scranton service) that ran in November 1979
> and the scrap train in 1984/1985.
>
> The last "hurrah" for the Cutoff came in August 1978 when a derailment on
> the Delaware Division (Narrowsburg?) forced Conrail to detour everything
> via the Cutoff. At the time, the Delaware was still busy (the Ford Plant
> in Mahwah was still operating) and saw 8 to 10 trains a day.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KSmollin_@_aol.com
> To: RAKUGEL_@_aol.com
> Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 6:32 AM
> Subject: Fwd: (erielack) Port Morris Turn
>
>
> In a message dated 10/16/2006 8:17:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> eldispatcher72_@_yahoo.com writes:
> Listers,
>
> If memory serves me correctly, there was a reason for an occasional Port
> Morris Turn in late 75 and early 76. For whatever reason some of the Dairy
> Pak (Southern Plug door box cars) and some Wyondotte cars for Washington
> were diverted from the NW-Hagerstown-WM-RDG-Allentown PBurg routing. The
> cars were showing up in Croxton off the PC. They were getting the long
> haul instead of the EL routing. Those cars and no doubt some cars that
> would make demmurage via Allentown were on the Port Morris Turn.
>
> Remember, it was getting close to Conrail and 4-1-76. Apparently anything
> went as far as PC was concerned.
>
> Rich P
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Attached Message
> From:eldispatcher72_@_yahoo.com
> To:erielack_@_lists.elhts.org
> Subject:(erielack) Port Morris Turn
> Date:Mon, 16 Oct 2006 9:16 PM
>
> Listers,
>
> If memory serves me correctly, there was a reason for an occasional Port
> Morris Turn in late 75 and early 76. For whatever reason some of the Dairy
> Pak
> (Southern Plug door box cars) and some Wyondotte cars for Washington were
> diverted from the NW-Hagerstown-WM-RDG-Allentown PBurg routing. The cars
> were
> showing up in Croxton off the PC. They were getting the long haul instead
> of
> the EL routing. Those cars and no doubt some cars that would make
> demmurage
> via Allentown were on the Port Morris Turn.
>
> Remember, it was getting close to Conrail and 4-1-76. Apparently anything
> went
> as far as PC was concerned.
>
> Rich P
>
>
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