To add to the points by Messrs. Stuy and Burt, Harriman and Morgan had differences that went back to an episode where Morgan brushed Harriman off early in the latter's association with railroads (which began with a small carrier in upstate New York that served Plattsburgh, if I'm not mistaken, and continued with the Illinois Central). Also, Morgan reorganized the Richmond Terminal system and in 1894, established the Southern Railway which 110 years later (now called Norfolk Southern--and yes, it IS the original Southern Railway) acquired most of the former Erie Lackawanna lines when the reorganization of Conrail properties was completed by CSX and Norfolk Southern (required EL content!). Phil Bell _ELRRco_@_AOL.com_ (mailto:ELRRco@AOL.com) Tim Stuy wrote: Morgan was very involved with the railroads. Probably the biggest reorganization in the 19th century was the 1893 Northern Pacific reorganization that J.P. Morgan put together. From an EL perspective, he had bought up a number of Erie securities in the 1890's. By 1898 the independent NYS&W with its Wilkes-Barre & Eastern and Susquehanna Connecting Railroads were undercutting the coal rates the Erie could get and were attempting to lease the Erie & Wyoming Valley. Morgan stepped in and bought control of the NYS&W and then had the Erie lease it. In 1907 the Erie was near default and Morgan again stepped in - this time getting one of his allies, Underwood to take on the presidency of the Erie. Corrections/additions: Morgan oversaw the reorganization of the New York, Lake Erie & Western Railroad into the Erie Railroad in 1895 and controlled the Erie for about another decade through a voting trust arrangement that could not be dissolved until the company paid certain dividends more than once. This control was nearly absolute during that decade. After the voting trust was dissolved--I am thinking it was in 1904--he still named many of the directors, but Underwood was free to seek other allies, particularly Edward H. Harriman, whom Morgan did not much like, due to the fact that they had tussled during the Erie reorganization. Underwood became president of the Erie Railroad in 1901. At the time he was correctly considered Morgan's man. As Morgan's interest in Erie waned with advancing age and his preference to focus increasingly on art collecting, etc., FDU was delighted to find that Harriman took an interest in backing FDU's plans for rebuilding the Erie. The idea that Morgan stepped in to save the Erie in 1907 is seriously incorrect. Morgan did not bail out the Erie's improvement projects during the so-called "Rich Man's Panic"of 1907; Harriman did. This episode is almost never mentioned in general history books. Then, when some Erie bonds came due in 1908, there came the famous moment when Morgan was asked to refinance them. After some dramatic scenes, he declined, and Harriman took up the task to "help the general situation" or some such words. After that, Harriman was basically the leading financier behind the Erie. Unfortunately for FDU's plans, he died the next year. WDB The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org ------------------------------
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