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Re: (erielack) DL&W, EL FT's



It is amazing what stupidity one can let slip by the editing and 
proofreading process late at night. The last sentence in the quote below 
is obviously incorrect. I blame it on a shift in the stream of 
consciousness, the hour the original answer was written and a brain 
flatulent. It's a good thing almost no one reads what I write, so few 
people were misinformed. Rather than leave misinformation stand, I'll 
attempt to correct it.

>> 
>>> In dynamic braking, with the possible exception of the very first
>>> FTs which used a two position brake, the traction motors are connected to
>>> the main generator through the series windings, the commutators are
>>> connected to the resistor grids. The series windings supply power to the
>>> main generator to run it as a motor.
>> 

In fact, when these units (I'm not sure how they control it in modern 
locomotives, I strongly suspect the control system is backwards 
compatible but different, just like when teletype machines were on the 
way out and we used to use interface devices like opto-isolators or 
current to voltage converters to connect to the tty current loop) were 
put into dynamic braking a very interesting and reasonably complex 
sequence of events happened. The diesel went into idle since you still 
had to drive all of the auxiliaries connected to the crankshaft/main 
generator armature drive line. A bunch of contactors, relays and 
switches reconfigured the wiring of the traction motors and main 
generator and an initial excitation was applied to the main generator to 
load the traction motors, now generators just enough to bunch up the 
slack in the train. At this point the dynamic brake was in effect, being 
used just like the independent brake was used. Oh, and the main 
generator output and hence the excitation to the traction motors was 
controlled by the battery voltage applied via the controller to the 
battery field winding of the main generator.

After the the slack was drawn in, the engineer could increase the 
dynamic braking effect by advancing the controller which in turn applied 
more excitation to the main generator with the result of increased 
excitation to the traction motors turned generators. Increasing the 
field excitation increases the field strength which causes more current 
to be produced by the traction motors which of course is dissipated in 
the dynamic brake resistor grids. The net result is the traction motors 
require more torque to overcome their rotational resistance which either 
maintains the current train speed or slows it down if the field strength 
is greater than the force applied by the weight of the train.

The limiting factor was the maximum current rating of the traction motor 
windings, the cooling efficiency of the traction motor blowers and 
dynamic brake grid fans and the grid resistor wattage rating. The engine 
was still running spinning the main generator and auxiliaries like the 
air compressor, auxiliary generator, and in the case of the FT's the 
main cooling fans, and whatever else tapped the engine drive line. 
Otherwise all F units and Geeps had dynamic brakes which functioned in 
the same manner.

Hmm, maybe now it is clear why I was trying to simplify my answer 
believe it or not, I still get confused when I look at the wiring 
diagrams. I've always had a great deal of respect for the people who 
designed electro-mechanical control systems. I find using silicon a 
whole lot more straightforward myself.

Thanks to Randy for catching my misstatement.

Will Shultz


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