NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment. To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the following URL into your web browser: http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-06-03-06 B_NYC_completed_11-17-52.jpg (image/jpeg, 696x560 171459 bytes, BF: 2.27 ppb) Buffalo_Paper_9-15-1852.jpg (image/jpeg, 992x2658 891861 bytes, BF: 2.96 ppb) Erie_Ad_1-5-1853.jpg (image/jpeg, 711x1233 553870 bytes, BF: 1.58 ppb) Paul Brezicki asked: Interesting Diamond article by Ron Dukarm about Erie's Great Lakes operations. I had no idea about this aspect of Erie history, but from a commercial standpoint it made perfect sense. My question concerns Erie's entry into Buffalo in 1852 (acc to the article), which is earlier than I thought since the mainline to Dunkirk was completed only the previous year. Did the Erie reach Bfo by new constuction, by acquiring one or more RRs (as it did with it's western entry by way of B&SW), or a combination of the two? Paul, The New York & Erie reached Buffalo in 1852 via the the Buffalo & New York City Railroad, which ran from Hornellsville to Attica to Buffalo. The Erie did not corporately own the B&NYC. but the relationship was so close that most people looked upon it as an extension of the Erie. In R&LHS' "Railway History No. 131", on page 7, which is a chronological history of the Erie, it reads: "1852 Buffalo Branch completed. Soon overshadows old Dunkirk line in importance." The attached newspaper article from September 15, 1852 states that Buffalo "...is the lake termination of the New York & Erie as time will show." The Erie began building a passenger depot, lake warehouses, freighthouses and shops in Buffalo in 1852. They sold tickets from their depot (shared with the B&NYC) and the B&NYC also sold tickets over the Erie (See attached). The B&NYC became the Buffalo, New York & Erie in October, 1857 and eventually was leased to the Erie in May, 1863. If you read my article "DL&W's Buffalo Coal Trestle", you'll see the DL&W first started shipping coal (via canal) to Buffalo in 1840. In 1859 it started arriving in Erie trains. In 1861 the DL&W appointed a coal agent and soon thereafter had a coal yard. In 1879 they built a large trestle and yard. It wasn't until the end of 1882 that their own rails reached Buffalo. The Lehigh Valley did the same thing. They had facilities in Buffalo in the 1870's. In the early 80's they built their massive lakefront terminal in Tift Farm. They had a major pressence in Buffalo but not their own track until 1892, IIRC. They came in over the Erie. So, when did the Erie, DL&W and LV "reach" Buffalo? It depends on how you define reach. And how far west did the DL&W reach? Buffalo you say. I say Omaha, Nebraska, but that's for another article. Ronald R. Dukarm ELHS #532 ELHTS #66 rdukarm_@_adelphia.net The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org ------------------------------
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