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Re: Re:(erielack) More Cliff Dwellers

The H & M's Erie/Pavionia station was under the western ends of the Erie 
platforms, and photos of the Erie Jersey City terminal show stairway access 
to and from the H & M station from each platform.  Because of the distance, 
the Erie H & M station was one of the first, if not the first, uses of the 
rubber-matted passenger mover.

Someone told me once that H & M planned to build a second level of tubes 
between the junction at Hoboken between the tubes heading towards the Jersey 
City/Hudson Terminal tubes, but no one can confirm this.  There are visible 
additional tube excavations at these junctions, and I think that the one at 
Hoboken has a "tower" in its mouth.


Ken Bush


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe K" <joesk_@_ix.netcom.com>
To: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:19 AM
Subject: Re:(erielack) More Cliff Dwellers


> At 08:44 AM 3/6/06,  Randy Brown wrote:
>>Paul -- you will get many responses.  Here's one:
>>
>>There were two H&M "Tubes".  One ran from about Exchange Place, Jersey 
>>City, to H&M Terminal, close to th World Trade Center site.  On the NJ 
>>side, a tunnel branched northward to Hoboken.  The Erie station was on 
>>this line, which terminated at the DL&W Hoboken station.  The second tube 
>>under the Hudson branched off between Erie and Hoboken, went to 
>>Christopher Street, Manhattan, and thence to 33rd Street, with stations at 
>>9th, 14th, and 23rd Sts.
>>
>>H&M was a pioneer.  Backed by the Pennsylvania Railroad in the very early 
>>1900s, it was PRR's first shot at a rail entrance to Manhattan.   It was 
>>intended and designed to carry only passengers,  so used a smaller loading 
>>gauge with narrower cars on standard gauge track.  It was an early 
>>electrification -- 600V DC 3rd rail.
>
> I don't believe the H&M had any connection to the Pennsylvania Railroad 
> back at it's inception. An excellent history of the H&M and of the PRR 
> tunnel to NYC can be found in "Rails Under the Mighty Hudson", by Brian 
> Cudahy. A truly interesting read.
>
> Joe K.
>
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