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Re: Re:(erielack) More Cliff Dwellers
The H & M's Erie/Pavionia station was under the western ends of the Erie
platforms, and photos of the Erie Jersey City terminal show stairway access
to and from the H & M station from each platform. Because of the distance,
the Erie H & M station was one of the first, if not the first, uses of the
rubber-matted passenger mover.
Someone told me once that H & M planned to build a second level of tubes
between the junction at Hoboken between the tubes heading towards the Jersey
City/Hudson Terminal tubes, but no one can confirm this. There are visible
additional tube excavations at these junctions, and I think that the one at
Hoboken has a "tower" in its mouth.
Ken Bush
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe K" <joesk_@_ix.netcom.com>
To: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:19 AM
Subject: Re:(erielack) More Cliff Dwellers
> At 08:44 AM 3/6/06, Randy Brown wrote:
>>Paul -- you will get many responses. Here's one:
>>
>>There were two H&M "Tubes". One ran from about Exchange Place, Jersey
>>City, to H&M Terminal, close to th World Trade Center site. On the NJ
>>side, a tunnel branched northward to Hoboken. The Erie station was on
>>this line, which terminated at the DL&W Hoboken station. The second tube
>>under the Hudson branched off between Erie and Hoboken, went to
>>Christopher Street, Manhattan, and thence to 33rd Street, with stations at
>>9th, 14th, and 23rd Sts.
>>
>>H&M was a pioneer. Backed by the Pennsylvania Railroad in the very early
>>1900s, it was PRR's first shot at a rail entrance to Manhattan. It was
>>intended and designed to carry only passengers, so used a smaller loading
>>gauge with narrower cars on standard gauge track. It was an early
>>electrification -- 600V DC 3rd rail.
>
> I don't believe the H&M had any connection to the Pennsylvania Railroad
> back at it's inception. An excellent history of the H&M and of the PRR
> tunnel to NYC can be found in "Rails Under the Mighty Hudson", by Brian
> Cudahy. A truly interesting read.
>
> Joe K.
>
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