Very good questions, Chris. I think that for many on the List, RR financials as detailed in quarterly and annual statements would be an effective night sedative. Much of this info resides with the U of Akron Archival Services; click on this link to see what's available: http://www3.uakron.edu/archival/ErieLack/erie1.htm There is a good discussion of piggyback meat traffic in V15#2 of the Diamond by Bill Gale, Terminal Manager at 51st St during the 70's. His opinion: "Even though we seemed to make a big thing of the meat traffic, I felt that it was a loser, and that there wasn't a smart meat receiver in New York who ever paid a freight bill, as they were able to offset these with claims of one kind or another." In other words, L&D payouts made it unprofitable. Ultimately he was proven correct when EL gave up on the meat business. Service was also a factor, as midwestern meat shippers found that for additional pennies per lb, all-highway was a full day faster and eliminated headaches like missed connections and weekend service lapses. He also addresses the question of overall TOFC profitability. In EL's case, he felt that a big negative was an insufficiently aggressive collections policy, in deference to the Sales dept fear of upsetting "good" customers. The "Friendly Service Route" may have been a little too friendly for it's own good! There's no doubt that RR cost accounting was less sophisticated during intermodal's formative years; you still had people with the "lose a little on each move but make it up on volume" mindset, and of course they were anxious to establish a position in the markets they served. As RR's gained a better understanding of cost during the 70's, they began eliminating unprofitable business including short hauls (under 500 miles), low volume terminals (during the decade the no. of ramps in the US declined 80%), and yes, the meat business. As for the boxcar to intermodal shift, I think that for service reasons, a lot of this business would have diverted to all-truck anyway. Also I feel that the issue of equipment utilization is not sufficiently appreciated. For many decades the industry has failed to attract sufficient capital because of inadequate ROI, and a big factor here is the poor utilization of those expensive railcars. In EL's case, a boxcar coming into North Jersey would spend up to 24 hr being switched at Croxton, then another day getting to the customer, then a couple days being unloaded then repeat the process in reverse. By contrast, a pig flat coming in on NY-100 would be turned and headed back to Chicago with a new load the same day. So while boxcars were turning in a pathetic 50 loaded car-miles (or less) per day, the TTX's were banging off 3,000 miles per week in NY-Chicago service. As Schuyler implied in today's post, the most important issues facing RR's in the 70's were external and more or less beyond their control; the critical event that restored the industry's viability was dereg. The EL was doomed even before it was created in 1960. I like to describe it's plight like this: It was using a mid-19th century alignment within an early 20th century regulatory/employment structure to compete with a late 20th century highway system in a region with a declining manufacturing base. Predictably, it was unsuccessful. Paul B I also realize that the amount and quality of information going back to the EL and Erie / DL&W days is not as abundant as it is today with businesses having, what seems at least, almost limitless computing power with massive amounts of IT resources at their disposal. It makes me think about something I read, in either one of the Trains issues, or on a list like this about someone commenting about during the 60's, the sales forces at many RR's had no idea what the true costs of intermodal (specifically piggyback) were and how to price the service accordingly. They went on to say that in 80's and 90's, with the massive amounts of IT power at hand, they had a much better handle on what their costs were and could make pricing and operating decisions that made it more profitable. They also lamented on how they during the 60's and 70's, in many cases, had decimated profitable boxcar business to migrate it to less profitable or even unprofitable TOFC business. Anyway, my $0.02. I think if any of this info is available, it would provide a very interesting insight into how the EL, Erie and DL&W were run and provide part of the explanation why the two mergers that come about that resulted in their ultimate demise. Regards, Chris Thurner The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List Sponsored by the ELH&TS http://www.elhts.org ------------------------------
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