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Re: (erielack) Newberry Jct (was CNJ...how about others?)

I stand corrected. My reference was an item in Pacific Rail News about congestion at BN's Memphis hub, which it said it shared with ATSF. "BN decided to limit Santa Fe to two unloading windows a day for eastbound traffic". This sounded like a contract operation as opposed to joint service. 

Paul B
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Pennisi 
  To: Paul Brezicki ; EL Mailing List ; Schuyler Larrabee 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:43 AM
  Subject: Re: (erielack) Newberry Jct (was CNJ...how about others?)


  Paul,

  I work for Santa Fe in the System Operations center in Schaumburg, Ill during the time frame of these trains.  If we had a trackage rights move we weren't aware of it.  It was just a run through service to Memphis in conjunction with BN.  The deal was we supplied some power and BN did the same.

  Rich Pennisi 

  Paul Brezicki <doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net> wrote:
    I guess it can be a gray area. Trackage rights involves "operation" by the
    tenant road, which to me implies tenant road crews. Prior to the BNSF
    merger, ATSF ran one or two pairs of intermodal trains between California
    and Memphis. The segment between Avard OK and Memphis (ex SLSF) was operated
    by BN under a haulage agreement; ATSF train and locomotives, but BN crews.
    In any event, the Newberry Jct operation looked much different than the B&O
    haulage, as the Erie/EL traffic was handled in B&O trains. Minor point: I
    believe it's "Lawrenceville".

    Paul B

    Erie chose to pay NYC to operate the trains rather than pay
    > NYC for pilots to travel with Erie crews (or qualify a
    > separate crew pool, which would have been expensive since the
    > trains were not frequent). I think the normal operation of
    > Newberry interchange diminished soon after the EL merger took
    > place since the EL could keep the traffic for itself to
    > Rupert. The exception may have been for some traffic to/from
    > the west on old Erie routings, but I suspect any change after
    > the formation of PC was coincidence, not the result of the
    > formation of PC. Maybe Mike Connor knows more and can
    > clarify this. The arrangement came about when the Erie and
    > NYC traded rights around 1900, with NYC getting trackage
    > rights access to coal mines on the Tioga Division of the Erie
    > and the Erie getting the rights to Newberry. Whether NYC
    > crews operated on the Tioga (from Lawrenceburg) I don't know.
    > The Lawrenceburg connection allowed Erie to eliminate its
    > Tioga Division line from Southport (Elmira) which had
    > virtually no on-line traffic.
    >
    > LAD



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