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FW: (erielack) CNJ...how about others? Clarification for Paul B

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry DeYoung
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:17 PM
> To: Schuyler Larrabee
> Cc: Michael Connor
> Subject: Re: (erielack) CNJ...how about others?
> 
> Erie chose to pay NYC to operate the trains rather than pay 
> NYC for pilots to travel with Erie crews (or qualify a 
> separate crew pool, which would have been expensive since the 
> trains were not frequent).  I think the normal operation of 
> Newberry interchange diminished soon after the EL merger took 
> place since the EL could keep the traffic for itself to 
> Rupert.  The exception may have been for some traffic to/from 
> the west on old Erie routings, but I suspect any change after 
> the formation of PC was coincidence, not the result of the 
> formation of PC.  Maybe Mike Connor knows more and can 
> clarify this.  The arrangement came about when the Erie and 
> NYC traded rights around 1900, with NYC getting trackage 
> rights access to coal mines on the Tioga Division of the Erie 
> and the Erie getting the rights to Newberry.  Whether NYC 
> crews operated on the Tioga (from Lawrenceburg) I don't know. 
>  The Lawrenceburg connection allowed Erie to eliminate its 
> Tioga Division line from Southport (Elmira) which had 
> virtually no on-line traffic.
> 
> LAD
> 
> 
> > From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee_@_verizon.net>
> > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:13:29 -0500
> > To: Larry A DeYoung <larry.deyoung_@_verizon.net>
> > Subject: FW: (erielack) CNJ...how about others?
> > 
> >  Can you clarify?
> > 
> > SGL
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org
> >> [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Paul Brezicki
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:28 AM
> >> To: EL Mailing List; Paul R. Tupaczewski
> >> Subject: (erielack) CNJ...how about others?
> >> 
> >> Okay, now I'm confused. Operation of EL trains with PC 
> crews over PC 
> >> tracks sounds like a haulage agreement, but LDY's books 
> say trackage 
> >> rights. Which was it? It made little difference at least 
> financially, 
> >> as either would have involved payments to PC by EL which 
> was a factor 
> >> in the shift to Rupert. One of the functions of Gang Mills 
> yard was 
> >> to service the Reading connection, but even after 1969 it 
> appeared to 
> >> stay busy as a block-swapping location for eastbound EL trains.
> >> 
> >> Paul B
> >> 
> >> Erie and EL interchanged with the Reading at Newberry Jct.
> >>> The train was operated out of Corning (Gang Mills) by New
> >> York Central
> >>> (Fall Brook) crews using Erie/EL power and caboose.  That 
> ended in 
> >>> 1969, after Penn Central was formed, and the interchange moved to 
> >>> Rupert on the Bloomsburg Branch.
> >>> 
> >>> Gordon Davids
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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