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Ken,

I'm sure that red over red was absolute stop, but this raises the further
question of whether there was a speed restriction on the bridge?  By
"fudge" the block distances, do you mean so that the train would take
approximately the same amount of time per block, although the block lengths
differed in length?  Of course, if the bridge were up, the bridge signal
(M.P. 10.7) would presumably show red over red and the signal at M.P. 11.3,
for example, would show yellow over red(?)  I guess the bridge signal would
display green over red (clear) if the bridge were down (and no trains were
occupying adjacent blocks) but maximum speed would be governed by speed
restriction rather than signal indication at that point?

Chuck



                                                                                                                                
                      erie910                                                                                                   
                      <erie910_@_fastmai                                                                                          
                      l.fm>            To:     Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com                                                         
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                      08/16/2005 10:33         erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org                                                   
                      AM                       Michael Sheehy <njnyrr_@_optonline.net>                                            
                                               "Paul R. Tupaczewski" <paultup_@_optonline.net>                                    
                                               Hank Sundermeyer <sunderhj_@_att.net>                                              
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Chuck,
To the best of my knowledge, which now is 35+ years old, the lower signal
always displayed red and the upper had three aspects--red, yellow, green.
This fits in somewhat with the discussion of the block length, since it
appears that the signals which protected the bridge were also block
signals.  That means that the block length probably was fudged to fit the
need for the signals at the bridge.  Perhaps someone with a signal chart
from the 1960's could advise definitively what red over red meant, but I
believe that it was an absolute stop, lest one take the plunge, either off
the rail because of the derail or into the drink.

Also, the eastbound signal protecting the Passaic River bridge was just
east of the Passaic Park station, M.P. 10.7.  The next block signal east
was at the north end of the Carlton Hill station (pre-abandonment of the
Main Line through downtown Passaic), M.P. 11.3.  Assuming that the signal
at Passaic Park were a block signal also, that made the block between
Passaic Park and Carlton Hill about .6 mile, or maybe a few feet longer.
If I recall, the next eastbound block signal west of  Passaic Park was east
of downtown Passaic, perhaps M.P. 12.3 or so--my memory fails me on the
street names.


Ken Bush

Charles_Walsh_@_berlex.com wrote:
      Ken,

      I'm curious, if you recall, did the lower signal always display red?
      And
      how many aspects did the upper signal have?

      Chuck



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                                                Subject:

                                                        Re: (erielack) Odd
      signal
                            08/15/2005 11:41 AM

                            Please respond to

                            erie910






      These appear to be the signals which protected the bridge over the
      Passaic River between Passaic Park and Carlton Hill.  There were two
      signal heads on a mast, and the bottom had the green blanked out.

      Ken Bush

      Michael Sheehy wrote:


            I believe there is one just north of the Pearl River, NY
            station.

            -----Original Message-----
            From: erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org
            [mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org]On Behalf Of Hank
            Sundermeyer
            Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 1:02 PM
            To: Paul R. Tupaczewski; erielack_@_lists.railfan.net
            Subject: Re: (erielack) Odd signal


            Hi, Paul

            The triangle tricolors existed on the NY Division as well.  If
            you look in
            your EL in Color volumes, you'll find a shot in Passaic with
            one, also I
            believe they existed on the signal bridges on the passenger
            mainline

      segment

            that ran in between croxton yard and the DLW Boonton main.

            Hank
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            Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:40 PM
            Subject: (erielack) Odd signal





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                  Hi folks,

                  Was going through some more photos today, and found an EL
                  freight
                  train passing the signal in the attached image.  The
                  image is somewhere

      in

                  New York's Southern Tier, I believe. How many of these
                  triangle-shaped-indication signal heads did they have?
                  Were these the

      only

                  ones? (there's another on the opposite side of the track,
                  facing the

      other

                  way)

                  - Paul

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