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Re: (erielack) questions about Erie steam locomotives
Would some please post the urls of photos of thse 4 classes.
bob gillis
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
>I meant to respond to this.
>
>One of the easier ways to tell an S3 is by the tender. Only the S3 tender has a double line of
>rivets down the middle of the side, and they kept them throughout their lives.
>
>As built, S1s had straight sided collars on the tenders, S2s as well. S4s were the first (and only)
>
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>>>delivered<< with the rounded collar around the coal space. Those silly looking Baldwin 0-8-0
>>>
>>>
>builder photos with the enormous tenders are showing a set of replacemnt tenders for the S1s and
>S2s. So, a curved collar CAN mean a S1, 2, or 4, so you have to double check an ID by looking at
>the trailing truck, or, if all else fails, the number on the cab . . .8^)
>
>By "assembled trailing truck, Mike, you are referring to the "Articulated Rear End." This was a
>patented (by Lima, I think) arrangement where the drawbar was actually attached to the trailing
>truck, not to the frame. S1's had a "normal" attachment of drawbar to frame. The alleged advantage
>of the "ARE" was twofold: The line of forces from the drivers back to the tender drawbar was
>straighter, therefore less lost to flexing of the frame, and so on, and also it held the trailing
>truck down hard on the rails. The trailing truck, remember, had a booster engine in it, so more
>force down on the rails meant more TF delivered to the rear of the tender. It also caused just as
>much problem backing up as it does with the Oriental S3 model - it makes the trailing truck derail.
>
>SGL
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org
>>[mailto:erielack-owner_@_lists.elhts.org] On Behalf Of Michael Dye
>>Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:33 PM
>>To: ed_mines_@_yahoo.com; erielack@lists.railfan.net
>>Subject: RE: (erielack) questions about Erie steam locomotives
>>
>>I don't recall. Did anyone ever offer an answer to this? I'm
>>not all that great about steam, but this is what I remember reading.
>>
>>Class S1: Bell mounted in bottom mount vertical bracket, off
>>a horiz. bar at top front of smokebox.
>> Units equipped with ATS.
>> Only class to have cast trailing truck.
>>
>>Class S2: Bell mounted in bottom mount vertical bracket, off
>>a horiz. bar at top front of smokebox.
>> No ATS
>> Assembled trailing truck.
>>
>>Class S3: Bell mounted in top mount bracket, attached to
>>smokebox front by
>>45 degree bracket.
>> Equipped with ATS.
>> Assembled trailing truck.
>>
>>Class S4: Bell mounted in top mount bracket, attached to
>>smokebox front by
>>45 degree bracket.
>> No ATS.
>> Assembled trailing truck.
>>
>>It's not much, but I hope it helps.
>>
>>Michael Dye ELHS #1516
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>>>From: Edward Mines <ed_mines_@_yahoo.com>
>>>(1) What were the visula differences between the 4 classes of Erie
>>>Berkshires?
>>>Ed Mines
>>>
>>>
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