Dave Thanks for information on something that I was thinking about yesterday......you refer to 'poor man's CTC' as we all did, but on the Erie and EL those devices were known as "Telephone Train Order Signals." We had several on the Mahoning Division that were the PRR sytle position light signal mounted under the searchlights. The displayed the following: Three vertical lights---Proceed. Three horizontal lights---Stop Three angular lights---Pull in Siding--Passenger trains call before pulling in siding They were kind of like a 'holding signal or CP Point, but you were forbidden to use them to 'hold a train' Without searching an employee's timetable I know they were in use at North Randall EB, SN JCT (West bound at Liberty Steel Road ----now known as MLK Blvd) Avon (EB for Mosier Yard), Westlake's Crossing EB (to protect the Yo Passenger Station), Boyce Crossover WB ( at the east end of Ferrona Yard) and maybe others. Also, Warren Ticket had Red East or Red West holdouts to protect the Warren Gauntlet and in later years, after the derailment and single tracking at Niles, Deforest had Red East and Red West holdouts for Niles. At these two locations, you could make the signals EITHER Red East or Red West, but not both. Think Sharon Single track was handled that way from either Ferrona Yard Office or Sharon Ticket also. They were also used on the Allegany and Meadville Divisions at various locations. SMT ------------------------------
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