(erielack) Fw: "Erie" 7528 2-6-6-2 - and a correction

["David Green" <davandli_@_empacc.net>]

List:

I forwarded the photo of "Erie" 7528 to a recent contact who claims to 
have spent 30-years researching the BR&P, who desires to remain 
anonymous to this list.  He also corrects a wrong assumption that I made 
concerning the use of BR&P 2-6-6-2s as pushers on Clarion Hill.  It 
would have been their bigger sisters (Class XX 2-8-8-2) that assisted 
Erie trains up the grade, on the rear end.  If the 2-6-6-2s were used 
they would have been coupled on the front end, but closer reading of the 
Pietrak book makes this practice appear rare, if at all.  The 2-6-6-2s 
were primarily through freight locomotives.  Read on...

- - Dave Green, ELHS #1366


Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:58 PM
Subject: 2-6-6-2 Pix


Dave,

    You are correct that this is B&O 7528 (ex-BR&P 728) and that is a 
BR&P concrete whistle post. The two rows of telegraph poles on the left 
suggest parallel lines on that side. I believe that the only place that 
there is another parallel right of way on almost the same grade is 
between East Salamanca and Limestone NY - that would make this a 
westbound train (headed for Bradford and beyond). This could either be 
between East Salamanca and Carrollton moving in an eastward direction 
(by compass) - before the BR&P/B&O tracks swing south over the Erie line 
going to Olean - or between Riverside Jct. (PRR crossing) and Limestone 
with the train moving in a southward direction (by compass).

    As a secondary matter, I am not aware of any 2-6-6-2's being used as 
pushers out of Clarion Jct. That was 2-8-8-2 territory (generally about 
5 or 6 of the nine were at AJ at any given time with another 2 or 3 
working north (BR&P direction) or east (B&O) out of Riker and one in the 
shop at DuBois. There may have been 2-6-6-2 thru helpers from Riker to 
E. Salamanca, but they would normally be coupled on ahead as a 
double-header.
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:28 PM


  Brian:

  FYI.  This thread has just started on the ELHS mailing list.  It 
happens to include the BR&P. Note Erie #7528 in the photo URL.  Also see 
note 10.  Maybe you have something you could add, like, the exact 
location of this photo?

  - Dave Green

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Rich Young" <richy_@_graphicphases.com>
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:09 PM

  http://www.railfan.net/lists/mplist.cgi?erielack-photo

  Erie7528b.jpg (image/jpeg, 141944 bytes)

      List

              Any help with this one? This is not in the Erie's 
numbering sytem but it is labeled Erie 2-6-6-2 # 7528 Salamanca  , NY on 
the back ?  On the right that is an Erie Cast concrete whistle sign ( I 
don't know if any others used the same plans) running on double track?

                  Enjoy

                  Rich Young

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "David Green" <davandli_@_empacc.net>
  To: "Rich Young" <richy_@_graphicphases.com>
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:45 PM

  Rich:

  The "Erie 2-6-6-2 #7528" is not an Erie engine.  #7528 is the B&O 
number for an ex-BR&P 700- class LL Mallet.  The BR&P had two groups of 
these:

  #700-#741 and #742-#754.  Although not Erie locomotives, they were 
closely associated with the Erie, running side-by-side on the Bradford 
Division.  Sometimes they were pushers on Erie trains out of Clarion 
Junction, PA.

  It's just a guess, but the relatively low hills make me think this 
photo was taken somewhere on the  New York end of the railroad.

  The big Mallets (they also rostered Class XX 2-8-8-2's) are just one 
of the many things that make a small road like the BR&P so interesting.

  - Dave Green, ELHS #1366

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