(erielack) NO HTML FW: Walthers Gonnie NYC, Erie accuracy? Re: [AnthraciteRR] Prototype for new Walthers LV gondola?

[Rob Davis <superc_@_monmouth.com>]

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> From: Robert John Davis <trains_@_robertjohndavis.com>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:34:44 -0500
> To: <anthraciterr_@_yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: <nehrij_@_rpi.edu>
> Subject: Walthers Gonnie  NYC, Erie accuracy?   Re: [AnthraciteRR] Protot=
ype
> for new Walthers LV gondola?
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> Ed,
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> Good work on the LV info. Thank you, you saved me from blowing the dough =
for
> me AND the GSC club!
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> Wonder how the Erie car fairs? It is at:
> http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7454
> The model is black and carries #15503. From the drawings on G. Elwood=B9s s=
ite,
> it looks like the real Erie #15503 was longer (48=B96 inside l.) , and had =
end
> doors. See: http://gelwood.railfan.net/frt/erie-frt-3-7.gif
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> John Nehrich says the Erie prototype was shorter. He points to
> http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/gons/Erie-straight=
- -side
> -13-panel-gon-1931-cyc.jpg
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> And, yes, it is shorter. And Walther=B9s gave it a longer number, hence it =
is
> off on two counts.  Either way, seems it ain=B9t all that for the Erie. See
> Nehrich at=20
> http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Walthers-gons=
.html
> #USRA
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> Looking at the NYC car, modeled as #501127, this is a G42 converted to
> container service. Again, Mr. Elwood shows info at
> http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/nyc/nyc-g42.gif      and
> http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/nyc/nyc-g42a.gif  Lime container service=
 is
> what it is listed as.
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> It also has the =B3System=B2 logo instead of =B3Lines=B2 so that makes it a post
> mid-30=B9s paint scheme if I remember correctly, which would probably be pr=
etty
> good for the container service. Nehrich also points out the black scheme
> started in WWII era.
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> John Nehrich=B9s review at
> http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Walthers-gons=
.html
> #USRA   has some added info on the NYC cars.
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> For more info (including cars assigned to Roebling!) visit Nehrich=B9s exce=
llent
> page at:
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> http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Walthers-gons=
.html
> #USRA
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> Regards,
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> Rob
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> Robert John Davis
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> On 1/14/02 3:38 PM, "Ed Schaller @ LVRR Modeler" <edschaller_@_lvrrmodeler.=
net>
> wrote:
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>> Walthers has announced a new model of the 46 ft USRA steel gondola in HO
>> scale -  (http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7450 undecorated,
>> shows the model most clearly.)
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>> They list this model in Lehigh Valley markings, shown at
>> http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7458. As best I can make ou=
t
>> from this photo, the reporting marks are LV 27202. Neubauer's book "Lehi=
gh
>> Valley Freight and Passenger Equipment Rosters" does not support this ca=
r as
>> being prototypical.  On page 15, it says that after the USRA took over t=
he LV
>> in 1917, it assigned 2,300 USRA standard cars to the LV, but most were d=
eemed
>> unsuitable or unneeded, and all were reassigned to other railroads by th=
e end
>> of 1920.=20
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>> Neubauer lists series 27001-28300, within which the Walthers car would f=
all,
>> as 55 ton USRA steel hoppers, returned in 1920.
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>> He does list 46 ft USRA steel gondolas, with the note that they may neve=
r
>> have even been delivered, but as series 32001-32500.
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>> It looks like the Walthers LV USRA gondola is destined for my planned "L=
V
>> Fantasy Models Page," unless someone can provide some additional informa=
tion!
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>> Unfortunately, Walthers has chosen to use this apparently bogus color sc=
heme,
>> while at the same time overlooking the Reading, which according to Bob
>> Kenderdine was a major user of these cars.
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>> Ed Schaller
>> Editor/Publisher
>> Lehigh Valley Railroad Modeler
>> http://www.lvrrmodeler.net <http://www.lvrrmodeler.net/>
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