Re: (erielack) DL&W E8 horns

[Dlw1el2_@_aol.com]

In a message dated 1/11/2002 11:20:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
quahog_@_sprint.ca writes:


> Dear Bob and Group,
> 
> The topic of horns came up awhile back, and I'm glad it has been
> revived.  Were the 1959 horn specifications different from the as-built
> equipment?
> 
> I recently viewed the Mark I Videos "Lackawanna Diesels" and "The Phoebe
> Snow" for the first time.  I noticed two very different horn sounds from
> the E8s -- one was melodic and high-pitched, the other less shrill and
> not as "rich" a chord sound; perhaps these were just "short toots" with
> the horn valves only partially open.  I'll need to watch the videos
> again and listen more carefully to see if there was a difference in horn
> sound between pre-merger and post-merger DL&W E8s, as well as between
> Erie and DL&W E8s.
> 
> The DL&W freight F3s definitely had a flat "blat" horn... not sure about
> the passenger F3s.  No PA or Train Master horn sounds on the video,
> unfortunately.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alan <quahog_@_sprint.ca>
> 
> Dlw1el2_@_aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > This reply was forwarded to me by a Lackawanna Shop man.
> > Bob Bahrs
> > 
> > Bob: The Lackawanna 1959 specification for E8 locomotives call for
> > a         Leslie 3 horn cluster. (2 A125LP and 1 A200LP).Since there
> > was          another A200LP facing to the rear, it would seem that all
> > three         would face front unless this caused excessive noise and
> > thus was        modified.Hope this helps.
> 
> 

Alan
I will also add that in talking with this gentleman, he remembers them 
experimenting with many horns. He said it was two long ago to give specifics, 
but obviously the Lackawanna was looking to give there E8s a better sound, 
and they succeeded.
I say the E8 because no other batch of Lackawanna engines had there horns 
changed, only the E8s from the single blat horn they were delivered with.
All my Lackawanna E8 photos show all three trumpets on the engineers side 
facing forward.  Only the Erie Lackawanna merger would bring about pointing 
one of the smaller horns backwards. 

 You have to wonder if a lot of what happened to Lackawanna motive power 
after the merger was not spite oriented.  I can understand a Railroad not 
spending the extra money to have certain options put on a unit, but if they 
are already there why would they go to all the trouble to alter them in 
regard to the E8 horns.  When it came to the Red Bulls eye's, and Visors on F 
Units and the Additional Hand Rails on RS3 it came down to complete removal. 

Bob

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