Re: (erielack) erie lackawanna yards

["David Green" <davandli_@_empacc.net>]

Mike:

Just off the top of my head.  This is by no means complete:

The following were all flat-switching yards associated with the Erie:

Jamestown, NY - had two yards, or one yard that was "squeezed" in the
middle.  Strictly for local switching and interchange with JW&NW.  I have
often wondered if the eastern half was used for the layover of passenger
equipment off the B&SW.  Alternatively, maybe it was used for storage?
Anybody know?  The western half (by the depot) was the bigger of the two.

Gowanda, NY (B&SW) - I'm stretching this one, but it had (has) about 4-5
tracks in it's heyday and was governed by "Yard Limits" as per the
timetable.  Strictly local switching and a helper base.

Dunkirk, NY - small, terminal yard.  Some Lake Erie dock trackage
(interesting).  Interchange with NYC and NKP.  PRR ran through here also but
I don't know if the Erie interchanged with them here.

Salamanca, NY - Division point for Allegany and Meadville Divisions.  HQ for
Alleghany Div.  Loco terminal, roundhouse.  Terminal for Dunkirk Branch and
Bradford Division trains.  Interchange with BR&P (B&O) which had a major
yard and shop in East Salamanca.  A classic railroad town in it's day.

Carrollton (Carrollton Junction), NY - small yard for Bradford Div.
interchange.  I believe Salamanca took over this traffic as time went on.

Olean, NY - local switching and interchange with PRR Harrisburg line.
Possibly PS&N, but I'm not positive on that.  I think the Shawmut ended at
the PRR station, some distance from the Erie tracks.

Bradford, PA - local switching.  Engine terminal, roundhouse; interchange
w/BR&P and other smaller lines during the oil boom.

Clarion Junction (near Johnsonburg), PA - shared with BR&P, but I think the
Erie had it's own tracks here as well.  Shared engine terminal, helper base.
Local switching.

Brockway, PA - local switching.  Engine terminal.  Collection point for Erie
coal branches in the area.  Interchange with PS&N, BR&P, and PRR.

Dubois, PA - in later years the EL had trackage rights down to this B&O
division point/yard (actually a series of small yards).

Corning, NY - local switching and Tioga Branch terminal; NYC had a local
yard right next to the Erie's. This area is now occupied by Denison Parkway
and Wegman's.  Yard later moved to Gang Mills, NY (across the river).  Still
in use today as engine terminal, crew change point, and local switching.

Avon, NY - Small yard.  Junction of Rochester Division and Buffalo Division
Attica Branch (name correct?).  Local switching.  Still used today by LA&L.

That's all for now.

- - Dave Green, ELHS #1366


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Riley" <wdperson_@_hotmail.com>
To: <erielack_@_lists.railfan.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:50 PM
Subject: (erielack) erie lackawanna yards


> Hello everyone happy new year,
>
> With apologies to everyone who has seen this same thread on the
railroad.net
> forum, I am posting the following list of EL yards to the mailing list,
> trying to fill in yards that may have been missed or important information
> that has been left out. What I am trying to do is create a list of Erie
> Lackawanna Rail yards.  Anything that could be classified as a yard such
as
> a major system classification yard or a yard that stored cars for local
> businesses.  I have included the divisions as best I know them, then the
> name of the yard or location and then purpose of the yard (classification,
> etc.).  I have received some input on the purpose or need for the yard and
I
> have included this after the purpose of the yard in the following list.
> Also, if you know if the yard had any extras (diesel shops, car repair,
> etc.).  Also, what is a divison point yard (i.e. Hornell)?
>
> Marion Division:
> Chicago 55th Street Yard - Piggyback operations
>
> Hammond: (until 1969) - classification yard for Chicago before blocking in
> Marion??????
>
> Marion, OH; Major system Classification Yard, later used to block freight
> for Chicago area railroads. Diesel shops.
>
> Mahoning Division:
> Kent Yard, until abandoned (196x?)
>
> Mahoning Division, First SubDivision
> River Bed Yard (Cleveland, Ohio) Ore Dock Yard???? - River Bed Yard at the
> NYPANO Docks was very cramped with minimal storage capacity. With the
short
> tracks and no space, cars were shuttled between RiverBed and North Randall
> where the Erie had ground storage capacity and an overhead gantry.
>
> Literary Street Yard (Cleveland, Ohio) Possibly stored cars for Standard
> Oil?   AFAIK, Literary St. was tha main freight facility for the central
> flats industrial area. LCL traffic was shuttled to the Freight House on
> Scranton Rd. Prior to the Erie moving all of its psgr trains into CUT c.
> 1952, psgr traffic moved through Literary St. to the NYC (Big Four)
> interchange at DK Tower to reach the Erie Stn. which was actually located
on
> the NYC. NKP transfer freights also moved through Literary St. as they ran
> over the Erie between the NKP E. 55th St. Yard and the former W&LE's
> Campbell Rd. Yard.
>
> The E. 55th St. Yard was later re-named Von Willer Yard in honor of the
> former Erie president. E. 55th was alos the site of the enginehouse. The
> turntable was kept active in Diesel days to turn the single cab units
which
> worked the Cleveland / Youngstown trains as well as the NKPBlue Birds
which
> worked the Cleveland / St. Louis trains of that rr (NKP had neither
> turntable nor wye in Cleveland). After the Erie and P&LE pooled power
> between Cleveland and Pittsburgh to eliminate the engine change at
> Youngstown, we also saw the P&LE Alco cabs being turned. (I'm told that
the
> turntable was also used to turn the occasional business car to insure that
> it was properly pointed.)
>
> North Randall Yard - serviced local industries in the area and stored cars
> for River Bed Yard, see River Bed yard above: cars were shuttled between
> RiverBed and North Randall where the Erie had ground storage capacity and
an
> overhead gantry.
>
> Leavittsburg, OH - Leavittsburg was an industrial yard----Cars were set
off
> to be delivered to industries. Cars pulled from industries in the North
> Warren area were classed at Leavittsburg for pick up for shipment West,
> Cleveland, Brier Hill and Meadville.
>
> Brier Hill Youngstown, OH (classification yard?)
>
> Ferrona Yard in Sharon, PA. Handled traffic for Shenango Valley and New
> Castle branch. Interchange with NYC Sharon branch; PRR's E&P.
>
> Shenango Yard; Shenango [rr west of Greenville],PA. That was worked by a
> turn. Handled B&LE interchange and Greenville Steel Car and CB&I. Coke off
> B&LE for Ohio Works US Steel; solid trains of ore for Ohio Works too.
>
> Meadville, PA (classification Yard)
>
> Buffalo Division
> Bison Yard, Buffalo, NY (classification yard)
>
> Salamanca, NY (had a classification yard until the early 60s, became a
local
> yard and engine servicing facility, crew change point)
>
> East Binghamton - East Binghamton yard, this was the ex-DL&W yard that was
> mothballed for much of EL's 16 year existence. EL used the ex-Erie
Chenango
> St yards primarily for local switching. New England interchange was
handled
> mostly (I think) by D&H run-throughs that were classified elsewhere (eg,
> Bison).  EL leased Liberty Street Yard at Binghamton from the D&H when EL
> closed East Binghamton. EL used Chenango Street and Liberty Street for
local
> service, for traffic to and from Utica and Syracuse, and for classifying
> some of the traffic received from the D&H.   The D&H kept Bevier Street
for
> both local service and to classify interchange received from EL. The D&H
had
> a policy of classifying its bridge traffic at the interchange into
> destination blocks, so once a car was put into a block at Bevier Street it
> would move in that block to Mechanicville, Rouses Point, or wherever.
When
> the D&H and EL were under common management, each RR blocked cars for the
> other to a greater extent, so some Mechanicville B&M blocks came from
> Meadville or Bison, for instance, and some trains like PB-99 and PB-100
> essentially ran through Binghamton and Mechanicville.
>
> Hornell, NY; Division Point yard and Diesel Shops
>
> Scranton Taylor Yard -
> Port Jervis. -  It classified westbounds received at Maybrook from the New
> Haven, some eastbound traffic for Maybrook and Jersey City, and until
1955,
> eastbound coal from the Wyoming Division. The Wyoming Division coal trains
> ran with the same crew from Avoca via Lackawaxen to Port Jervis.
>
> Croxton Yard (Major system Classification yard)
>
>
>
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