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(erielack) Cross Cultural Query

A friend of mine passed the following string of mail to me from the 
Burlington Railroad Historical Society list.  We are seeking further comments 
from the EL perspective on pool power in EL days. 

Regards, David

Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:26:56 -0000
   From: mack_@_chmack.com
Subject: Update on CB&Q/EL pool power

In a message in Extra 2200 South Magazine dated 12/27/69, R.A. 
Eisenbrandt states that the Hammond Yard Pool is working well. Q 
units that have the EL radio channel are being seen on run throughs. 
Chicago 12/21/69 saw CB&Q U25C 561 mu'ed with EL SDP45 3653 (so add a 
very unique type of locomotive to your Q consists). Also CB&Q GP40 
179 and SD45 516 were seen on NE-97 to Chicago 12/26 (is this a Q 
train or an EL train?). The post states that Q units on other runs 
are rarely seen and that SD45's are the most common pooled power by 
EL and Q. Interestingly, EL 3653 was built in 6/69 and was the last 
SDP45 built for EL before the BN merger (the next batch of SDP45's 
started coming in 7/70). The EL SD45-2's didn't start coming in until 
11/72. So it looks like we could safely add EL SD45's 3601-3634 and 
SDP45's 3635-3653 to the late 1960's CB&Q/EL pool trains. Final note, 
I have seen shots of pure CB&Q 3 unit SD45 lashups on the EL in New 
York, so the above comment about SD45's being the most common pooled 
power makes sense.

Tom Mack

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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:06:19 -0500
   From: GORDON SMITH <kc2bw_@_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Update on CB&Q/EL pool power



mack_@_chmack.com wrote:
> 
> Also CB&Q GP40 179 and SD45 516 were seen on NE-97 to Chicago 12/26 (is 
this a Q
> train or an EL train?).

  NE-97 or New England 97 was an EL westbound that departed Maybrook,
NY, the former New Haven
interchange, that became Penn Central, and ran to Chicago. It carried
traffic from New England
to the west.    

>The post states that Q units on other runs are rarely seen and that SD45's 
are the most 
>common pooled power by EL and Q.

  OH NOT SO!!! At least not here on the east end of the EL in New
Jersey. I saw  a good number of
GP-30s, GP-40s and yes, Sd-45s on several different symboled trains. And
a GP-20 and a SD-24 even
made it to Port Jervis, NY. Once the merger happened we had units from
the GN and I remember there
after plenty of SD-45s and F-45s, a lot of which I ran.

Gordon
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To reply take the 33  from the address


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Message: 9
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:29:24 -0600
   From: "William Franckey" <budapest_@_galesburg.net>
Subject: Re: Update on CB&Q/EL pool power

Tom,  Can you offer anything on the EL E's that found their way into
Cicero
Yard in the early 70's.  Bill        ps......In the early BN
days......sorry, Everyone loved getting SD-45's but the EL's had dual
control stands in the cabs and when used as headend power in a consist,
everyone felt cramped.

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Message: 11
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:09:07 -0000
   From: PIXELS_@_Ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Update on CB&Q/EL pool power

So it looks like we could safely add EL SD45's 3601-3634 and 
> SDP45's 3635-3653 to the late 1960's CB&Q/EL pool trains. 
> Tom Mack

Tom and Others:

The Q/EL pool did not start until after the Q disolved pool 
agreements with the new and struggling PC. I have no 
documented date, but believe the pooling with EL did not begin 
until early 1969.

The EL units were seen mostly on Cicero-Dayton's Bluffs trains 
and 97 and 88. 

Regarding EL E units laying over at Clyde: they were assigned to 
transfer running between Clyde-47th Street and Hammond.and 
were not pool units. In that era, EL had regeared some E's for 
freight duty. They were also seen laying over on the Milwaukee in 
Bensenville, in both transfer and pool assignments.  

Ed DeRouin 



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Message: 12
   Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:57:23 -0000
   From: mack_@_chmack.com
Subject: CB&Q/EL Pooled Power and more

In regard to the EL E's, I noticed Ed already responded. I only saw 
the EL E8's ince, on a visit to Marion Ohio in mid to late 70's. What 
a lashup, though, 3 EL E8A's on a freight ready to leave the yard. 
Alas, too late for any Q units to be visiting.

An interesting sighting from Hol Wagner appears in the May 1968 Extra 
2200. Hol noted seeing a Q GP30, C&S SD40, and 2 D&RGW GP35s together 
on 5/11/68 in Denver. So we will add D&RGW GP35's in mid 1968 to the 
pool list I am creating.

On 5/10/68 he says there were Q, C&S, UP, D&RGW, PRR, and NYC units 
at the Q roundhouse all at one time. Sure would be nice to know what 
those NYC and PRR units were.....


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Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:33:59 -0600
   From: "Ron Burkhard" <ronburk_@_dotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Update on CB&Q/EL pool power

One set even made a round trip to Savanna, and as I recall, the carpet
was
rolled out, and it was not red.
Ron Burkhard


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Message: 8
   Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:48:08 EST
   From: amtrak347_@_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Update on CB&Q/EL pool power

>From my time book:
My very first fireman student trip, 9/15/69, was on train #97 Clyde to 
Savanna with 5 SD-45's: Q525, Q529, Q521, EL3619, EL3620 for a total of 
18,000 horsepower.  Not sure on this, but I believe the EL's were geared
the 
same as the Q's with 60:17 gears; they sure would "fly" as witnessed by
our 
running time - depart Clyde 12:52 PM arrive Savanna 3:35 PM (2hrs.
43mins).

Other dates with EL power:

       9/28/69  #97  Q528, EL2557, EL2582 (GP-35's)
       9/28/69  #82  Q910, Q911, Q519, EL2578, EL2579
       12/9/69  #97  Q463, Q466, EL2565, EL3610

Bob Campbell   

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Message: 9
   Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:14:36 -0600
   From: "Tamerlane" <TheVLBG_@_systec.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Update on CB&Q/EL pool power

Bob:

After that pool was dissolved the EL was a little behind on HP-Hours so
either 1 or 2 of those GP35's stayed on BN for a month or so.

The number "2584" comes to mind but I'll have to look a little closer.

EL 3669-3681, SD45-2'S had 62/15 gearing & dual control stands.

Don't have anything positive on the earlier units.

The VLBG

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