(erielack) Re: [AnthraciteRR] DL&W F-3's Question.

[Dlw1el2_@_aol.com]

In a message dated 12/15/2001 2:00:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
BlackDiamondRR_@_cs.com writes:


> Hello, Anyone able to answer a question about the Lackawanna's passenger 
> F-3's? I have a photo of #804 in a book showing the phase 2 model with the 
> chicken wire between portholes and the low roof fans, another photo of the 
> same unit(?) on the cover of FD&S shows the phase 1  version with the 3 
> portholes  and the high shrouded fans! Was this unit (804) changed 
> somewhere along the way from the as built appearance?  Bud 
> 
Bud




Bud
I don't like to get into Phase's cause there have been at least two  phase  
catagorizing's done over the years. One seems to be more popular than the 
other
but let me state this for the Lackawanna Units you are inquiring about.

801 and 802 were the earlyest type of F3s  Phase 1 if you desire that. 
They had three port holes, and high roof fans.  Produced 12/46

803, to 805 were of a LATER phase that had only two port holes, with chicken 
wire
between the two, and they had low fans.    Probable given Phase 2 designation 
by model builders, to make things easy. Produced 12/47

BUT!

Keep in mind the change from three port hole to two came about in 5/47.
The change to low fans came about in 12/47.

A quick glance suggests that the Lackawanna didn't have any F units delivered 
between 5/47 and 12/47, but other roads probable did.  So if your road had 
two port holes, and still high fans your screwed when it comes to the simple 
phase one and two that model makers have bestowed on THERE two types of 
phases for F 3.

So, with all that stated, I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. 
Figured I better check my FD&S covers just to make sure, and WOW.  Fall of 
77, you are right.  This has got me stumped for now.  I've talked to a 1950 
shop man from Scranton, and there was no rebuilding, and no other casuse or 
reason.  I've talked to a 1945 engineer and he know's of no reason for the 
conflict.  I would first question the stated location since the prominate 
signal is very much a Lackawanna style signal.
Did the LV have this type of two mast signal, and in Lehighton?
Secondly this appears to be the 801 renumbered.  I say that because the side 
4 is accruate, but the 4 in the numberboards is not the correct faunt other 
than the upright part of the 4 which would have been a one.  

Could the LV have been barrowing the three unit 801 set for some reason?
Did the LV have any other units that would have a number conflict with 801?

Open for other constructive thoughts, and I must state, a good catch Bud!
I have also forwarded this over to the EL group to possible get some more 
input.

Bob Bahrs

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