RE: (erielack) Pascack Valley / NJ&NY name change?

[Ken <lackawanna_@_iname.com>]

When I commuted from Hackensack in 1970-72 and the push-pulls arrived, some 
had power on the east and some had it on the west.  Never understood 
why.  Actually the first push-pull train had an E-L GP-7 on the east end 
pulling a set of coaches and a dead U-34CH.  The train was late, of course, 
and full.  I sat on the steps and watched the scenery go by through the 
open door, including the Hackensack River below the toes of my shoes on the 
bottom step.

Of course, two NJ & NY trains each way per day were GP-7 with ex-Santa Fe 
stainless steel coaches.


Ken B.

At 07:25 PM 12/7/01 -0500, The Jordans wrote:
>To all concerned-
>
>The Erie Railroad in the original form of the New York, Lake
>Erie & Western Railroad took possession of the New Jersey &
>New York Railroad (formerly known as the Hackensack & New
>York Railroad circa 1860) on April 7, 1896 having obtained
>a controlling position in their stock.  When the Erie reorganized
>in 1895, it refused to renew the terminal leases for the NJ &
>NY RR based on not honoring contracts made before it's
>reorganization.  It raised the lease amounts so high that the
>NJ & NY RR was forced to sell out to the Erie.  For over fifty
>years it was known as the NJ & NY RR and ran Erie equipment.
>
>Before the merger of the Erie & DL&W in 1960, it remained an Erie
>branch. After the merger it became unofficially known as "The
>Pascack Valley Line".  The official name "Pascack Valley Line"
>was adopted by New Jersey Transit in 1983.  The trains that run
>on this line are the only trains leaving Hoboken Terminal with
>the engine power on the east end of the train.
>
>Just a note relating to other this railroad on another string:
>reported in the "Paterson Guardian" in March 1861: 'The engine
>Bergen, No.3 (a 4-2-0 type) ran off the open drawbridge over
>the Hackensack (river) and was buried in the river bottom.
>No evidence had ever been found that it was recovered.'
>
>Verrry interesting!!!  Anybody for digging in the Hackensack
>River for a 1860's steam engine??
>
>-Joe Jordan
>
>At 05:54 PM 12/4/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Paul, and others,
> >I'm sure that it was absorbed into the EL prior to 1970.  I remember the
> >timetables showing Horace Banta as trustee, but, in 1970, when I commuted,
> >there no longer was any reference to NJ & NY RR on any timetable.
> >
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >At 01:08 PM 12/4/01 -0500, Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul) wrote:
> >>Does anyone know if/when the EL eventually absorbed the NJ&NY 
> corporation? I
> >>know that the timetables for the Pascack Valley had the "Horace Banta,
> >>Trustee" on there for quite some time. Was NJ&NY officially absorbed 
> into EL
> >>prior to CR? And was that the time when it became the Pascack Valley line?
> >>
> >>         - Paul
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Ken [mailto:lackawanna_@_iname.com]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:15 PM
> >> > To: AL TILLOTSON; erielack_@_railfan.net
> >> > Subject: Re: (erielack) Pascack Valley / NJ&NY
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > All,
> >> > I commuted from Fairmount Av./Anderson St., Hackensack from about
> >> > September, 1970 through August, 1972.  It was "Pascack Valley
> >> > Line" on the
> >> > passenger timetables all that time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ken
> >
> >
> >

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