Fw: (erielack) Emigrant Cars?

["Schuyler G Larrabee" <"sgl2_@_ix.netcom.com">]

Gee, Dave, I thought I did, but now I have for sure!

SGL
- ----- Original Message -----
From: David Goessling <"dmg_@_library.ho.lucent.com">
To: Schuyler G Larrabee <"sgl2_@_ix.netcom.com">
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: (erielack) Emigrant Cars?


> Schuyler,
>
> Thanks for the info! I'll have to check my library for these books.
Perhaps you
> should post your response to the list, since only one other person has
responded
> to my query. You've included a lot of information that I think a lot of
folks
> might find interesting.
>
> regards,
>
> dmg
>
>
> Schuyler G Larrabee wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for asking this question, David, now I have learned a few things
too.
> >
> > John H White, in _The American Railroad Passenger Car_ has a six or
seven
> > page section on emigrant cars.  They were started as early as 1836, and
were
> > common through the end of the 19th Century.  They ranged from truly
> > primitive accommodations, to just extremely basic passenger cars.  There
are
> > a few photos and engravings of emigrant cars in the book.  The most
alarming
> > thing I see is the lack of toilet facilities of any kind . . . (!).  At
the
> > lower end of civil treatment, these cars even descended to the level of
> > boxcars into which emigrant families WITH THEIR LIVESTOCK would be
loaded
> > for the trip west to their new home, who "the contemptuous trainmen
referred
> > to as Zulus," according to a Railroad Magazine article in the '50s. On
the
> > other hand, Pullman had a serious concern about the competition provided
by
> > the Emigrant cars on service to the west coast, where Pullman's fare was
$13
> > from Chicago to the coast, and the emigrant fare was $3.  Pullman
eventually
> > bought these cars which were referred to as "tourist sleepers." and
raised
> > the fares to make his more high-class service more palatable price-wise,
> > another case of monopoly driving up pricing and another example of how
some
> > governmental control might benefit the common person . . . 8^).
> >
> > I found it interesting that Lincoln's private car which was later his
> > funeral car was sold, in fact was being advertised even as his funeral
train
> > was moving to Illinois, and years later ended up in emigrant service.
> >
> > White's book is an interesting book and contains the answers to many
> > questions like this.  I have the too  large, too heavy hardbound
version;
> > it was reprinted in a two volume paperback version which is seen
available
> > for roughly $50.  It is worth having in your library if you have
questions
> > like this.
> >
> > SGL
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Goessling <"dmg_@_library.ho.lucent.com">
> > To: <"erielack_@_internexus.net">
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:04 PM
> > Subject: (erielack) Emigrant Cars?
> >
> > > I was browsing the 1914 Annual Report on George Elwood's site and,
looking
> > > thorugh the equipment inventory, found this:
> > >
> > >         Emigrant
> > > 1914          1913
> > >    9             12
> > >
> > > This is sort of embedded in the passenger equipment inventory. Seems
like
> > these
> > > were some special kind of cars ? What were these cars? How were they
> > different
> > > from the other passenger equipment? Any photos?
> > >
> > > I assume these were used to take new immigrant workers from the
Hoboken
> > > Pullman/Immigrant pier out to their slavery...er... new jobs in the
coal
> > > fields...
> > >
> > > thanks in advance
> > >
> > > dmg
> > >
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