The two GVT alcos at the DL are the 2452 and 2461. These are the numbers they wore on the EL and are painted a quasi EL livery. - -----Original Message----- From: Erielack Digest <"owner-erielack_@_internexus.net"> To: "erielack-digest_@_internexus.net" <erielack-digest@internexus.net> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 5:03 AM Subject: Erielack Digest V2 #23 > >Erielack Digest Thursday, October 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 023 > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >When responding to posts, only include the text from the message >you are replying to (not this entire e-mail!) Also, please change >the subject of your response to match the original message. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >(erielack) OFF LINE FOR 4 MONTHS >(erielack) EL SD45/power plant >(erielack) Portland Secondery >(erielack) Old Road >(erielack) Re: Erielack Digest V2 #22 >RE: (erielack) Restored EL 2nd generation diesels ?? >(erielack) Washington, NJ >Re: (erielack) EL SD45/power plant >Re: (erielack) Portland Secondary >RE: (erielack) Portland Secondary >(erielack) Preamble Express 1974 >Re: (erielack) Restored EL 2nd generation diesels ?? >RE: (erielack) Portland Secondary >Re: (erielack) Restored EL C425s >Re: (erielack) Restored EL 2nd generation diesels ?? >Re: (erielack) Restored EL C425s > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:59:47 -0400 >From: John Swiecki <"jswiecki_@_pactech.com"> >Subject: (erielack) OFF LINE FOR 4 MONTHS > >Going on extensive, extensive business travel and need to shut down the email >while I am away. See you all in 4 months (mayabe sooner). > >I really appreciate all the good notes and information that flows through the >EL and NYSW systems. Its been a real pleasure conversing with all of >you. > >See you down the road. > >John Swiecki > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:19:36 EDT >From: "FRANKGARON_@_aol.com" >Subject: (erielack) EL SD45/power plant > >I think the CR # on that SD45 was 6097 (IIRC). I will have to dig out my >shots. I saw it in Enola or somewhere's in the late 80's/early 90's. It was >way after all the other SD45's were gone. It had all CR lettering painted out, >and a bit of white lettering stenciled on the cab. > >Once I get done entring all 15,000+ slides into my computer (aarrgghh!) I will >send more info : - ) ... > >Frank Garon > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:33:21 +0000 >From: "rastaff_@_iguana.ruralnet.net" >Subject: (erielack) Portland Secondery > >Derek Fenton asked how ConRail got from P'burg to the power plant at >Portland. Conrail uses a route put togother from trackage once >operated by several railroads. CR leaves Allentown yard on the former >LV to Easton. Here they cross over to the former L&HR bridge that >forms a curve and go across the Delaware River. Once across the >Delaware they get on the former PRR/PC Bel-Del Branch and take it to >Brainards. Here the PRR had constructed a bridge to connect with the >Bangor and Portland Rwy in 1885. The coal trains then take the former >Martins Creek Branch of the Lackawanna to Martins Creek Jct then the >mainline of the Bangor and Portland Branch of the Lackawanna to >Portland. On arrival at Portland trains come down what is called the >east leg of the wye and then go into the power plant. > I still have memories of 2400 class EL C-424 units pulling >trains up the 3% grade out of Portland to Bangor. When operating a >unit train on the branch it was normal to have a second set on the >rear pushing to Steir, if it was a grain train, and to Pen Argyl Jct >if it was a coal train for the cement mills. >Bob Stafford > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:33:21 +0000 >From: "rastaff_@_iguana.ruralnet.net" >Subject: (erielack) Old Road > >Scott did a great job of explaining the highways to use to follow the >Old Road. One additional site of interest is as you are leaving >Oxford just railroad west of where theOxford Furance station once >stood a quarry railroad crossed the state highway and interchanged >with the DLW. Where the Warren County trash and recycle site is today >used to be a limestone quarry that supplied the rock for the Edison >Cement plant at New Village. The story I remember from old family >gatherings was the Lackawanna had flat cars on which there where two >metal boxes. These where filled at the quarry with limestone. On >arrival at New Village the boxes where lifted off the flat cars and >dumped. They then where returned to the cars to go back to Oxford >Furance. Does anyone out there have photos of these cars? The book >Railroads of Northwest Jersey also write of this operation, but no >photos of the limestone cars. >Bob Stafford > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:42:45 EDT >From: "ShepRail_@_aol.com" >Subject: (erielack) Re: Erielack Digest V2 #22 > >In a message dated 98-09-30 06:00:19 EDT, you write: > ><< Derek Fenton <"drfenton_@_erols.com"> >> >1) The "Old Road" continued west of Washington, NJ to Slateford Jct. via >Portland, > Pennsylvania. >2) The Portland Secondary Track extends from CP Easton to Portland via > Phillipsburg and Brainards. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:03:40 -0400 (EDT) >From: alcoman <"alcoman_@_net.bluemoon.net"> >Subject: RE: (erielack) Restored EL 2nd generation diesels ?? > >Also there are the Alco C-425's that went to BC Rail that have found homes >on various shortlines. Most notably the one at the Livonia, Avon and >Lakeville. And if I remember correctly there is at least one or more >kicking around on GVT shortlines as well. > >These are considered "2d generation" are they not??? > > >On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul) wrote: > >> > Aside from SD45 3607 and SDP45 3639 (which are off-line but at least >> > 'saved'), are there any other second generation EL units currently >> > preserved anywhere along the EL mainlines? >> >> Todd Hollritt (I think it was Todd - am I right?) told me that a few years >> ago he saw an ex-EL SD45 in Connecticut in CR paint, being used as a >> stationary power plant. Anyone know if this is still around? >> >> - Paul >> >> P.S. If anyone is trying to E-mail me at my home address, you won't get a >> response for a few days - I'm on business in Denver right now, and am more >> easily reached at my work address, "paultup_@_lucent.com" >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net >> > >William J. Enser Co-Network Administrator >"alcoman_@_bluemoon.net" Technical Support & Validations > >x2 & V.90 Access net.bluemoon.net - Blue Moon Online System >http://www.bluemoon.net www.railfan.net - The Railfan Network >bbs.bluemoon.net mud.bluemoon.net 4000 - MoonMUD >irc.bluemoon.net-ZUHnet Buffalo,NY IRC Server > >Home Page:http://alcoman.railfan.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:07:52 EDT >From: "STEVEZ10_@_aol.com" >Subject: (erielack) Washington, NJ > >Scott had mentioned that the yard in Washington was a mess and that it is >rather a depressing sight these days. Will this Conrail local DJ-61/AL-18 be >operated by Conrail under NS ownership or with this operation under DJ be >taken over by the > Morristown & Erie Railroad or neither?? I am just curious as to what will >happen now that NS assumed operation as of Sept 1st. >I heard a rumor that that welded rail will be layed down between Allentown, Pa >and milepost 60 in Rockport/Hackettstown. >Are there any plans to run more trains between Dover and Washington a couple >years down the road??? > >Any help would be appreciated > >Thanks, >Steve Pellettiere >ELHS #2725 > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:14:01 -0400 >From: Dennis Gohl <"dengrr_@_geocities.com"> >Subject: Re: (erielack) EL SD45/power plant > >Frank, I thot I had a lot at 5000 - best wishes on your endeavor, Dennis > >- --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"FRANKGARON_@_aol.com" wrote: >> >> I think the CR # on that SD45 was 6097 (IIRC). I will have to dig out my >> shots. I saw it in Enola or somewhere's in the late 80's/early 90's. It was >> way after all the other SD45's were gone. It had all CR lettering painted out, >> and a bit of white lettering stenciled on the cab. >> >> Once I get done entring all 15,000+ slides into my computer (aarrgghh!) I will >> send more info : - ) ... >> >> Frank Garon >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:24:37 -0400 >From: "Derek Fenton" <"drfenton_@_erols.com"> >Subject: Re: (erielack) Portland Secondary > >Thank you, this was the answer I was looking for. > >The next question is what is the history of the line between Washington and >Phillipsburg? Was this a DL&W branch of Lehigh Valley, CNJ, etc.? > >Derek > >- ---------- >> From: "rastaff_@_iguana.ruralnet.net" >> To: "erielack_@_internexus.net" >> Subject: (erielack) Portland Secondery >> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:33 AM >> >> Derek Fenton asked how ConRail got from P'burg to the power plant at >> Portland. Conrail uses a route put togother from trackage once >> operated by several railroads. CR leaves Allentown yard on the former >> LV to Easton. Here they cross over to the former L&HR bridge that >> forms a curve and go across the Delaware River. Once across the >> Delaware they get on the former PRR/PC Bel-Del Branch and take it to >> Brainards. Here the PRR had constructed a bridge to connect with the >> Bangor and Portland Rwy in 1885. The coal trains then take the former >> Martins Creek Branch of the Lackawanna to Martins Creek Jct then the >> mainline of the Bangor and Portland Branch of the Lackawanna to >> Portland. On arrival at Portland trains come down what is called the >> east leg of the wye and then go into the power plant. >> I still have memories of 2400 class EL C-424 units pulling >> trains up the 3% grade out of Portland to Bangor. When operating a >> unit train on the branch it was normal to have a second set on the >> rear pushing to Steir, if it was a grain train, and to Pen Argyl Jct >> if it was a coal train for the cement mills. >> Bob Stafford > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:03:11 -0400 >From: "Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul)" <"paultup_@_lucent.com"> >Subject: RE: (erielack) Portland Secondary > >Derek, > > The line between Washington and P-burg was a DL&W line for >interchange with the LV (and CNJ?). The DL&W had a station in P-burg (which >I think is still there?). The EL continued to use this until the end (look >at EL In Color Vol. 3 for a photo of some GP7's at P-burg). > > - Paul > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Derek Fenton [mailto:"drfenton_@_erols.com"] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 1:25 PM >> To: "erielack_@_internexus.net" >> Subject: Re: (erielack) Portland Secondary >> >> >> Thank you, this was the answer I was looking for. >> >> The next question is what is the history of the line between >> Washington and >> Phillipsburg? Was this a DL&W branch of Lehigh Valley, CNJ, etc.? >> >> Derek >> >> ---------- >> > From: "rastaff_@_iguana.ruralnet.net" >> > To: "erielack_@_internexus.net" >> > Subject: (erielack) Portland Secondery >> > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:33 AM >> > >> > Derek Fenton asked how ConRail got from P'burg to the power >> plant at >> > Portland. Conrail uses a route put togother from trackage once >> > operated by several railroads. CR leaves Allentown yard on >> the former >> > LV to Easton. Here they cross over to the former L&HR bridge that >> > forms a curve and go across the Delaware River. Once across the >> > Delaware they get on the former PRR/PC Bel-Del Branch and >> take it to >> > Brainards. Here the PRR had constructed a bridge to connect >> with the >> > Bangor and Portland Rwy in 1885. The coal trains then take >> the former >> > Martins Creek Branch of the Lackawanna to Martins Creek Jct >> then the >> > mainline of the Bangor and Portland Branch of the Lackawanna to >> > Portland. On arrival at Portland trains come down what is >> called the >> > east leg of the wye and then go into the power plant. >> > I still have memories of 2400 class EL C-424 units pulling >> > trains up the 3% grade out of Portland to Bangor. When operating a >> > unit train on the branch it was normal to have a second set on the >> > rear pushing to Steir, if it was a grain train, and to Pen >> Argyl Jct >> > if it was a coal train for the cement mills. >> > Bob Stafford >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:56:23 EDT >From: "VSX9000_@_aol.com" >Subject: (erielack) Preamble Express 1974 > >Hello all, > >Was reading some email from a news group. Someone is looking for info on the >Preamble Express. > >Lou > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:21:23 -0400 >From: Donald Kern <"doubletrack_@_home.com"> >Subject: Re: (erielack) Restored EL 2nd generation diesels ?? > >GVT Sub. Delaware Lackawanna has 2 Ex BC Exx EL C425s they wear >their former EL #s ( Mike can you reply with those as I don't recall) > >alcoman wrote: >> >> Also there are the Alco C-425's that went to BC Rail that have found homes >> on various shortlines. Most notably the one at the Livonia, Avon and >> Lakeville. And if I remember correctly there is at least one or more >> kicking around on GVT shortlines as well. >> >> These are considered "2d generation" are they not??? >> >> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Tupaczewski, Paul R (Paul) wrote: >> >> > > Aside from SD45 3607 and SDP45 3639 (which are off-line but at least >> > > 'saved'), are there any other second generation EL units currently >> > > preserved anywhere along the EL mainlines? >> > >> > Todd Hollritt (I think it was Todd - am I right?) told me that a few years >> > ago he saw an ex-EL SD45 in Connecticut in CR paint, being used as a >> > stationary power plant. Anyone know if this is still around? >> > >> > - Paul >> > >> > P.S. If anyone is trying to E-mail me at my home address, you won't get a >> > response for a few days - I'm on business in Denver right now, and am more >> > easily reached at my work address, "paultup_@_lucent.com" >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net >> > >> >> William J. Enser Co-Network Administrator >> "alcoman_@_bluemoon.net" Technical Support & Validations >> >> x2 & V.90 Access net.bluemoon.net - Blue Moon Online System >> http://www.bluemoon.net www.railfan.net - The Railfan Network >> bbs.bluemoon.net mud.bluemoon.net 4000 - MoonMUD >> irc.bluemoon.net-ZUHnet Buffalo,NY IRC Server >> >> Home Page:http://alcoman.railfan.net >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:00:40 -0400 (EDT) >From: "iu136_@_cleveland.freenet.edu" (Gary R. Kazin) >Subject: RE: (erielack) Portland Secondary > >The Morris & Essex built to Hackettstown and then through Washington >and on to P'burg. They got there abour 10 years after the CNJ. In >the meantime, the DLW had come east from Scranton via the WArren RR >(from the state line via Delaware, Buttzville, and Oxford and on to >connect with the CNJ at Hampton, crossing over the M&E at WAshington. > >Then the DLW and CNJ merged! TRaffic continued to flow across at >WAshington and the merger failed within a year or so; one result was that >the DLW changed its eastward connection to the M&E, which it had leased >and thus effectively controlled. This left the line west to P'burg as >a spur and also the line south to Hampton. Since the DLW had built >engine facilities at Haampton, they continued using them for some >time. There are still stone uprights for the bridge ad Changewater >standing; the bridge went out over 60 years ago. The DLW used the line >through Washington as its main line (as in only line) until the >NJ CUtoff was built and then renamed it the 'Old main'. Today, the >original M&E line survives and most of the Warren RR is gone... > >For that matter, much of waht the DLW built is gone... > >- -- >cleveland.Freenet is a mail-drop. >Gary Kazin, Rockaway, NJ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:44:41 EDT >From: "MDelvec952_@_aol.com" >Subject: Re: (erielack) Restored EL C425s > >In a message dated 98-09-30 22:40:32 EDT, "doubletrack_@_home.com" writes: > >> GVT Sub. Delaware Lackawanna has 2 Ex BC Exx EL C425s they wear >> their former EL #s ( Mike can you reply with those as I don't recall) >> > >The two in Scranton are the 2452 and 2461; there are three on the Mohawk, >Adirondak & Northern, but those numbers escape me. ....Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:26:42 -0400 >From: "Bill K." <"pontiac_@_dreamscape.com"> >Subject: Re: (erielack) Restored EL 2nd generation diesels ?? > >GVT has most of those C425's between Scranton and Utica/Carthage, at least >most of the existant ones. The ones on LA&L and Minnesota Connecting are >GE rebuilds of C424's that went to Conrail, and the LA&L's C425 is a NH >unit. I believe Guilford may still have a couple of hulks left, too - >nice article on the CR units in the current issue of Diesel Era, in >addition to an article on LV diesels - > >The original numbers were 2460's and one of the D-L's is a 2461. I believe >all of them are getting original numbers back under GVT numbering, although >not all will get EL paint back. I wouldn't call it restored exactly, >anyways - they're still working! :o) > >- ---------- >> From: Donald Kern <"doubletrack_@_home.com"> >> To: alcoman <"alcoman_@_net.bluemoon.net">; erielack@internexus.net >> Subject: Re: (erielack) Restored EL 2nd generation diesels ?? >> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 9:21 PM >> >> GVT Sub. Delaware Lackawanna has 2 Ex BC Exx EL C425s they wear >> their former EL #s ( Mike can you reply with those as I don't recall) >> >> alcoman wrote: >> > >> > Also there are the Alco C-425's that went to BC Rail that have found >homes >> > on various shortlines. Most notably the one at the Livonia, Avon and >> > Lakeville. And if I remember correctly there is at least one or more >> > kicking around on GVT shortlines as well. >> > >> > These are considered "2d generation" are they not??? >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:34:57 -0400 >From: "Bill K." <"pontiac_@_dreamscape.com"> >Subject: Re: (erielack) Restored EL C425s > >804, 807 are two of them I believe. Okay I waswrong in the other message, >they were 2450's and 2460's - > >Bill K. > >- ---------- >> From: "MDelvec952_@_aol.com" >> To: "erielack_@_internexus.net" >> Subject: Re: (erielack) Restored EL C425s >> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 10:44 PM >> >> In a message dated 98-09-30 22:40:32 EDT, "doubletrack_@_home.com" writes: >> >> > GVT Sub. Delaware Lackawanna has 2 Ex BC Exx EL C425s they wear >> > their former EL #s ( Mike can you reply with those as I don't recall) >> > >> >> The two in Scranton are the 2452 and 2461; there are three on the Mohawk, >> Adirondak & Northern, but those numbers escape me. ....Mike >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net > >------------------------------ > >End of Erielack Digest V2 #23 >***************************** > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to "majordomo_@_internexus.net" with the >command unsubscribe erielack-digest in the BODY of the message. >To switch to the regular version of the list, include the command >subscribe erielack as the second line in the e-mail described above. > ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the erielack photopage at http://el-list.railfan.net ------------------------------
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