Re: (erielack) Life-Like Erie PA's in black/yellow

["Dan Vincent" <"vincentd_@_iag.net">]

Paul,

I know the ERIE did not own any Trainmasters, so the EL in black and yellow
had to come from the DL&W.   Was the original intention of the EL to adopt
the GYM scheme of the DL&W for passenger and ERIE B/Y for freight.  I really
think someone should make transition decals for GP-7s and whatever, in
N-scale please.

Dan.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul R. Tupaczewski <"paultup_@_interactive.net">
To: Gripp, William [NCS] <"WGRIPP_@_NCSUS.JNJ.COM">; Chris Thurner
<"cthurner_@_adelphia.net">; 'Dan Vincent' <vincentd@iag.net>
Cc: "erielack_@_internexus.net" <erielack@internexus.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: (erielack) Life-Like Erie PA's in black/yellow


>>> I seem to remember a picture of a black & yellow EL Traninmaster
>>> transition
>>> paint scheme.  I wish some manufacturer would paint that one.
>>>
>>Actually not a transition but a fullfledged EL scheme.  When the EL was
>>formed, the
>>original scheme was a modification of the ERIE black and yellow.  The
>>C424s came from
>>the factory in this scheme.  This scheme didn't last too long and the
>>DL&W version was
>>adopted and equipment repainted in the much more familiar EL maroon gray
>>yellow.
>>
>>Anyone know how long the black and yellow lasted as the "official"
>>scheme?  What was the
>>reason for the change?
>
>
>As a side note, there were several variations of the GMY paint on the
>Trainmasters. The primary difference was the width of the maroon stripe.
>Some units had a "wide stripe" that extended up to the halfway point on the
>cab windows. The smaller stripe version only extended up as far as the
>bottom of the cab windows. At least one unit (1853) also had large numbers
>on the top of the ends of the unit.
>
>Of course, there were also differences in the font used on the cab number,
>as well as placement of the word "ERIE LACKAWANNA" - most had the yellow
>Gothic on the maroon band, while some had maroon Roman lettering on the
gray
>band below the walkway (and one, 1857, wore maroon GOTHIC lettering under
>the walkway for a time!) Early on in the lives of these units, there were
>Lackawanna-eque variations as well - check out p. 59 in "EL In Color -
>Volume 4"
>
>The freight scheme units were fairly consistent in terms of paint, with one
>glaring exception - the 1860 had a solid yellow end on its long hood,
>instead of the yellow "bowing inward" end as on the other freight scheme
>units. Note that some units never received GMY paint (1852, 1856, 1858,
>1859, ande 1860) - please let me know if you have photos of these latter
>units in GMY!
>
>So, here's a table of schemes - mostly complete, but corrections/additions
>are gladly accepted!
>
>1850 GMY "wide stripe" - Gothic cab numbers, roadname in yellow Gothic
>1851 Black Freight Scheme
> GMY "wide stripe" - Gothic cab numbers, roadname in yellow Gothic
>1852 Black Freight Scheme
>1853 GMY "narrow stripe" - Gothic cab numbers, roadname in yellow Gothic
>1854 GMY "wide stripe" - Gothic cab numbers, roadname in maroon Roman
>1855 GMY "narrow stripe" - Gothic cab numbers, roadname in yellow Gothic
>1856 Black Freight Scheme
>1857 GMY "narrow stripe" - Condensed Gothic cab numbers, roadname in maroon
>Gothic
> GMY "narrow stripe" - Condensed Gothic cab numbers, roadname in yellow
>Gothic
>1858 Black Freight Scheme
>1859 Black Freight Scheme
>1860 Black Freight Scheme
>1861 GMY "wide stripe" - Gothic cab numbers, roadname in yellow Gothic
>
> - Paul


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