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199806/msg00287:(erielack) TEA 21 items of railroad interest in NJ
28: Roadway network through the Bergen Arches railroad right-of-way
199909/msg00168:(erielack) Erie Bergen Arches Tunnels
3: (erielack) Erie Bergen Arches Tunnels 8: Subject: (erielack) Erie Bergen Arches Tunnels 20: This site has some cool recent photos of the Bergen Arches Tunnels, along with
200004/msg00258:(erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
13: And, speaking of the Bergen Archways, what is there now?
200004/msg00260:RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 33: > from the mainline right at the west end of the Bergen Archways 41: > And, speaking of the Bergen Archways, what is there now?
200004/msg00261:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00262:RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
20: > Subject: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00264:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
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200004/msg00265:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
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200004/msg00270:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00271:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00272:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00277:RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00278:RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00283:RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: RE: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00292:(erielack) NJ Cutoff, was Greenwood Lake Branch
200004/msg00294:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00300:Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
3: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways 8: Subject: Re: (erielack) Greenwood Lake Branch, Bergen Archways
200004/msg00331:Re: (erielack) NJ Cutoff, was Greenwood Lake Branch
3: (erielack) FW: BERGEN ARCHES 8: Subject: (erielack) FW: BERGEN ARCHES 25: Subject: BERGEN ARCHES 28: Could you direct me to information on the Bergen Arches and the Bergen
3: Re: (erielack) FW: BERGEN ARCHES 8: Subject: Re: (erielack) FW: BERGEN ARCHES 33: > Could you direct me to information on the Bergen Arches and the
200007/msg00268:(erielack) Fw: Erie Railroad in Jersey City
49: > Cut/Bergen Arches in this entire area. In fact, rail fans in NYC visit the
200008/msg00220:(erielack) Mantua Erie K-4 or K-4B
184: 2710 (order of the red spot, Bergen Archways) Larry DeYoung, Erie Railroad
200102/msg00069:(erielack) Photo Request: Erie's Bergen Tunnel
19: Bergen Tunnel (NOT the Bergen Archway) for an article in the New Jersey
200102/msg00332:(erielack) Ford Mahwah additional info
41: Engine via the Bergen Archways. The auto racks would not clear the old Erie
200102/msg00343:(erielack) Fwd: CRTS Update #02-114
25: way through the Bergen Archways. Will we eventually see trains here again? 55: NJ BERGEN ARCHES RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR SALE: 57: the agency will likely exercise an option to acquire the Bergen Arches 63: Conrail is now moving to formally abandon the Bergen Arches right-of-way 69: Bergen Arches right-of-way. 84: container port, could lead to conditions where the Bergen Arches would
3: (erielack) Bergen Arches Hike 8: Subject: (erielack) Bergen Arches Hike 18: Was anyone on the Bergen Arches hike today?
3: (erielack) Bergen Arches update 8: Subject: (erielack) Bergen Arches update 21: NEW JERSEY CITY MAYOR COULD END BERGEN ARCHES HIGHWAY PLAN 42: light rail for the Bergen Arches as part of his platform of 45: Community outreach meetings for the Bergen Arches major investment
200106/msg00044:(erielack) Fwd: BERGEN ARCHES AND ERIE CUT WALKING TOUR
3: (erielack) Fwd: BERGEN ARCHES AND ERIE CUT WALKING TOUR 8: Subject: (erielack) Fwd: BERGEN ARCHES AND ERIE CUT WALKING TOUR 27: BERGEN ARCHES AND ERIE CUT WALKING TOUR 36: Bergen Arches and Erie Cut, a narrow blue trap rock canyon of open-air 40: Palisade Avenue to JFK Boulevard. The Bergen Arches and Erie Cut have 51: For more information on the Bergen Arches and Erie Cut, visit our
200106/msg00190:(erielack) JERSEY CITY VOTE IS LIKELY DEMISE OF BERGEN ARCHES HIGHWAY
3: (erielack) JERSEY CITY VOTE IS LIKELY DEMISE OF BERGEN ARCHES HIGHWAY 8: Subject: (erielack) JERSEY CITY VOTE IS LIKELY DEMISE OF BERGEN ARCHES HIGHWAY 19: JERSEY CITY VOTE IS LIKELY DEMISE OF BERGEN ARCHES HIGHWAY 25: supported using the abandoned Bergen Arches rail cut right-of-way for 33: revealed close to unanimous opposition to a Bergen Arches Expressway.
19: (Bergen Arches) hike this Sunday? I will be there, just curious if anyone
200110/msg00216:Re: (erielack) Hoboken and Jersey City
18: This is the Hole and Bergen Arches. The DL&W crossed over the Erie, but did
200111/msg00193:Re: (erielack) Still no answer: re: DL&W and Erie clearances
26: Just the tunnels at the Bergen Arches. The Erie was more or less tunnel
200111/msg00199:Re: (erielack) Still no answer: re: DL&W and Erie clearances
38: > Just the tunnels at the Bergen Arches. The Erie was more or less tunnel
200111/msg00476:(erielack) FW: NJ Transit/DL&W Airshafts Saved From Demolition
45: the nearby Erie Cut and Bergen Arches were being created, will undergo
200201/msg00705:RE: (erielack) New Book Cover NYSW in Color
28: Erie's Bergen Archways (I believe the year on the photo is 1951). A
200204/msg00105:(erielack) FDU, Harriman, and Morgan
36: (Bergen Archways, Erie & Jersey, Genesee River Railroad, Columbus & Erie,
200204/msg00162:(erielack) Erie improvements 1905-1917
36: projects--Bergen Archways, Erie & Jersey, Genesee River Railroad, Columbus &
200206/msg00347:(erielack) (rshsdepot) Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ (fwd)
3: (erielack) (rshsdepot) Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ (fwd) 8: Subject: (erielack) (rshsdepot) Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ (fwd) 27: Subject: (rshsdepot) Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ 34: Community opposes turning defunct Bergen Arches into highway 41: Bergen Arches into a highway that leads to the waterfront at a public 48: relieving that traffic by extending the Bergen Arches down to the waterfront 70: Built in the beginning of the 20th century, the Bergen Arches is a former
200208/msg00749:Re: (erielack) Lackawanna station, Paterson
42: the Meadows from the west end of the Bergen Archways.
200210/msg00383:(erielack) (rshsdepot) Erie's Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ (fwd)
3: (erielack) (rshsdepot) Erie's Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ (fwd) 8: Subject: (erielack) (rshsdepot) Erie's Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ (fwd) 18: Bergen Arches news from the RHSH Depot mail list. 30: Subject: (rshsdepot) Erie's Bergen Arches - Jersey City, NJ 35: NJDOT unveils plans for Bergen Arches 42: Bergen Arches rather than building a highway to the waterfront there. The 43: Bergen Arches, a series of street arches formerly used by the now-defunct 60: the extension of the Hudson Bergen Light Rail through the Bergen Arches.
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200304/msg00216:(erielack) EL auto racks - the authoritative answer
29: would deliver them to JC via the Bergen Archways as they would not fit in
24: There's also a photo of a commuter train at the Bergen Arches led by K-1
3: (erielack) Fw: Bergen Arches 8: Subject: (erielack) Fw: Bergen Arches 36: Subject: Bergen Arches 41: > Maybe you already know about the exhibition on the Erie's Bergen Arches 63: > "4 Seasons in the Bergen Arches"
200405/msg00141:Re: (erielack) Neat Erie latter-day image...
18: I have a great pic taken in June 2001 of a Conrail auto rack train coming out of The Hole as they used to call it. Those who went on the Jersey City Bergen Arches hike might remember this sight. Pretty cool, I know I wasn't the only one taking pictures of it either. Hopefully I'll be able to post it in a few days.
49: "Bergen Archways". Freight trains used a double track tunnel that was 69: then reverse back into the west end of Bergen Archways. One track was kept 73: Freight trains out of Croxton yard backed into Bergen Archways to head north
28: a. pull into Bergen Archways and run around?
32: of shots of a train backing out of Croxton down to the Bergen Archways, and 43: > would this occur? a. pull into Bergen Archways and run 56: CS-9 that backed down to the Bergen Archways.
200506/msg00261:(erielack) Photos for discussion - one Erie, one DL&W...
30: Jersey City Terminal (the Bergen Arches can be seen at the bottom right of
49: "Nave" on the Weehawken line before proceeding through the Bergen Arches?
18: One minor comment about the Bergen Arches and Erie Tunnel shown on the
38: viaduct to the "Bergen Arches," where it made a significant climb to reach
200510/msg00471:(erielack) RE: (ELHTS-Members) RE: Elevation Changes
60: viaduct to the "Bergen Arches," where it made a significant climb to reach
200510/msg00483:(erielack) Re: (ELHTS-Members) RE: Elevation Changes
79: > viaduct to the "Bergen Arches," where it made a significant climb to reach
95: > viaduct to the "Bergen Arches," where it made a
200603/msg00381:(erielack) Union Cold Storage (was: Two ex-EL SW's at Hoboken in 1977 and 1980)
33: moment. For anyone on the Bergen Arches tour, the warehouse was seen then
200701/msg00395:(erielack) Erie ETT page from Philip Martin
47: When cars too high for tunnel are handled through Bergen Archways,
200707/msg00495:Re: (erielack) Erie Montclair Tunnel
21: Where is this alleged Erie Tunnel? Did not know Erie had any tunnels in NJ than Bergen Archways to Pavonia, Jersey City Terminal
200707/msg00537:Re: (erielack) Erie Montclair Tunnel
19: Where exaclty is thsi alleged Erie Tunnel in Montclair. Only Erie NJ Tunnel I know is Bergen Arches to one time Pavonia, Jersey City Terminal. Tunnel are there but viaduct east of them is long gone since terminal as well is redeveloped into Newport Mail
20: train doubled up using the Bergen Archways and bypassed Croxton Yard.
35: through the Bergen Archways became too much and, along with rising real
25: Walt Smith> From: doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net> To: ShepRail@aol.com> CC: erielack@lists.railfan.net> Subject: (erielack) Re: Auto Facility> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:25:13 -0500> > Gosh Bill, maybe that's how the Auto-Train concept got started! When and to where was the facility moved? It occurred post-EL, perhaps in the 80's? CR inherited the PC (NYC) facility at Little Ferry, NJ and built the Doremus ave facility in Newark (now operated by CSAO).> > Paul B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ShepRail@aol.com > To: doctorpb@bellsouth.net > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:31 AM> Subject: Re: Auto Facility> > > Paul,> > Back then, if I recall, F. J. Boutell managed a fleet of haul-away carriers on> which his name appeared. It was my understanding that EL contracted with > this outfit to operate the ramp and haul-away vehicles to dealerships in> the area. Eventually, the avoidable cost of serving this facility at North Yard> through the Bergen Archways became too much and, along with rising real> estate values along the waterfront, prompted the relocation of this business> elsewhere.> > Before this happened, I remember working at NJ Tower (Newburgh Junction)> one night when a train of open deck multi-levels passed by en route to "Bergen". > About midway in the train, I noticed that the first vehicle on the top deck had > the dome light on and, upon further inspection, I saw a hobo sitting in the driver's > seat reading a newspaper as the train went by. It was a warm Summer night and> this guy had the window rolled down as well. Now that's the way to go!> > Bill> > > > > **************> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List> http://EL-List.railfan.net/> To Unsubscribe: http://Lists.Railfan.net/erielackunsub.html
200804/msg00827:Re: EL CLearances; was: (erielack) Pardon my ignorance
24: The Bergen Arches always had restrictions on the wall tracks, and trains coming off the Northern or NYS&W bound for Croxton had special instructions because of low clearances. High Cube cars had to be on the west end of the train.
200804/msg00829:Re:Re: EL CLearances; was: (erielack) Pardon my ignorance
28: The Bergen Arches always had restrictions on the wall tracks, and trains coming off the Northern or NYS&W bound for Croxton had special instructions because of low clearances. High Cube cars had to be on the west end of the train.
200808/msg00282:Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
200808/msg00293:Re: (erielack) Re: CNJ Interchange
200812/msg00117:(erielack) Bergen Arches redux...
3: (erielack) Bergen Arches redux... 8: Subject: (erielack) Bergen Arches redux...
200901/msg00027:(erielack) Website Update 01/01/09 - Happy New Yea
24: improvements" (aka the Bergen Arches) was extremely informative and really
200901/msg00081:Re: (erielack) Website Update 01/01/09 - Happy New Yea
32: > improvements" (aka the Bergen Arches) was extremely informative and really
200901/msg00230:Re: NYSW Interchange; was: (erielack) Telegraph symbols (3)
72: > merged into one and went through the Bergen Arches...
200901/msg00202:Re: NYSW Interchange; was: (erielack) Telegraph symbols (3)
36: merged into one and went through the Bergen Arches...
200901/msg00222:Re: NYSW Interchange; was: (erielack) Telegraph symbols (3)
48: merged into one and went through the Bergen Arches...
200901/msg00225:RE: NYSW Interchange; was: (erielack) Telegraph symbols (3)
28: Rich Campana> From: doctorpb_@_bellsouth.net> To: erielack@lists.railfan.net; paultup@comcast.net> Subject: Re: NYSW Interchange; was: (erielack) Telegraph symbols (3)> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:10:39 -0500> > Interesting shot. Rich, did the Susquehanna turn come down the ramp behind > NA Plywood to the right of the bridge? According to Bill Sheppard's > "Tidewater Terminals" maps, the transfer is on the East Main that runs > through the Archways, while the track on the right is the West Main that > goes through Bergen Tunnel. The track in the foreground is the "High "line", > off which diverges the New Loop which is seen going off to the left about 10 > cars back.> > Paul B> > From: "Rich Behrendt" <rbehrendt@columbus.rr.com>> Subject: Re: NYSW Interchange; was: (erielack) Telegraph symbols (3)> > NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.> To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the> following URL into your web browser:> > > http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-01-10-09> > NYSWCroxton035.jpg (image/jpeg, 2399x1577 740291 bytes, BF: 5.11 ppb)> > Back in '77 (probably the '76/'77 winter), I went out w/a friend of mine to> photograph the NYSW local w/GP18 #1802 that used to come down to Croxton to> interchange...> > We're standing just west of Tonnelle Ave. - The NYS&W crosses over the> bridge in the distance (on their way to Marion Jct.(?)) at the extreme east> end of Croxton at KW, and came down a ramp off of their track and pulled> down to this location. Several hundred feet to the right these tracks> merged into one and went through the Bergen Arches...> > We got several shots of him pulling his caboose off and although I don't> recall, but yard crews might have been pulling the train into Croxton...> > Interesting object (maybe an old tower foundation(?)) above the> locomotive...> > Rich Behrendt> ELHS #384> > > The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List> http://EL-List.railfan.net/> To Unsubscribe: http://Lists.Railfan.net/erielackunsub.html
24: the Bergen Archways but all 4 tracks were reversible.
35: Bergen Arches. BTW, when you take that hike and especially if you take one
201001/msg00526:(erielack) Northern Branch to Hoboken
28: the Bergen Arches. Hoboken-bound Northern trains would come in from the left
201001/msg00448:Re: (erielack) Northern Branch Question
25: into the Bergen Arches. Reverse movements at Bergen
201001/msg00451:Re:RE: (erielack) Northern Branch Question
20: At the west end of the Bergen Arches, practically beneath the western portals of the Lackawanna tunnels, the Northern Branch swung alongside the Erie main line east of the east end of Croxton yard. At "BR" tower, inbound Northern and Susquehanna trains could cross over the four Erie main line tracks, one by one, although they most often ran on the 2nd track from the north through the Arches, down the viaduct and into Jersey City, terminating at the farthest north platform -- Track 12, I think. Outbound trains would reverse the pattern, ironically favoring the northernmost tracks out of Jersey City. This track usage minimized the interference with all the other paralleling traffic. Often one or another of the Northern trains would run in beside #6, its Bassett hound of a K4 galloping to keep up with #6's loping Labrador of a K5.
201001/msg00475:Re: (erielack) Northern Branch Question
19: The last three car Northern 1604 never went into Bergen Arches. It was not long enough. Cleared the connection switch south of KW and made back up reverse move on signal to the Main Line with conductor on board the last car telling engineer by radio when signal was green and to proceed. Then switch was lined main to main and green signal on Main Line and train proceeded into Hoboken 40: into the Bergen Arches. Reverse movements at Bergen
201001/msg00504:(erielack) RE: Northern Branch Question
90: >The last three car Northern 1604 never went into Bergen Arches. It was 110: head-room (and tail-room) into the Bergen Arches. Reverse movements at
201001/msg00505:Re: (erielack) RE: Northern Branch Question
108: >The last three car Northern 1604 never went into Bergen Arches. It was 128: head-room (and tail-room) into the Bergen Arches. Reverse movements at
201001/msg00531:Re:(erielack) Northern Branch to Hoboken
30: Attached is a Bob Collins photo of the west entry to the Bergen Tunnel and the Bergen Arches. Hoboken-bound Northern trains would come in from the left behind the tower and then have to back up towards the camera on the old Erie main to get to the new junction with the Boonton line, where they would have to reverse again.
201001/msg00539:RE: (erielack) Northern Branch to Hoboken
26: > Bergen Tunnel and the Bergen Arches. Hoboken-bound Northern
24: The Erie customarily designated its double tracks as eastward and westward. Main tracks in four-track territory (HX-BJ, WJ-SF, Granton Jct to Lundys Lane, and Bergen Archways) were numbered. The eastward low-speed track from Port Jervis to FX was called the "Third Track."
201005/msg00349:(erielack) "Trackside Erie to Conrail" with Bob Collins
28: The Erie section starts right up a view from the back of a westbound commuter train climbing up the four-track viaduct out of Jersey City Terminal and into the Bergen Archways. Nice. :) The Erie section is heavy on east-end commuter steam (and who is going to complain about that!) , but there's plenty of black-and-yellow and two-tone green diesels to appease the later era fans. The west end is covered briefly (shots in Chicago and Huntington), but this is very much an east end book.
42: > the Bergen Archways and terminated at Buffalo.
34: the Bergen Archways and terminated at Buffalo.
42: > the Bergen Archways and terminated at Buffalo.
38: infrastructure elements nearby, including the Bergen Arches.
201011/msg00033:(erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #3643
27: looking out the east end of Bergen Archways. The trains are coming
31: effective September 27, 1936, it includes the Bergen Archways as being
201102/msg00354:(erielack) Classic Trains, Spring 2011
42: The Classic Trains article shows one Westbound at the Bergen Archways; the portion of that photo on page 79 also shows the abandoned Public Service trolley line. 60: The Classic Trains article shows one Westbound at the Bergen Archways; the portion of that photo on page 79 also shows the abandoned Public Service trolley line.
201102/msg00368:Re:(erielack) Classic Trains, Spring 2011
35: The Classic Trains article shows one Westbound at the Bergen Archways; the portion of that photo on page 79 also shows the abandoned Public Service trolley line.
201102/msg00384:Re:(erielack) Classic Trains, Spring 2011
38: The Classic Trains article shows one Westbound at the Bergen Archways; the portion of that photo on page 79 also shows the abandoned Public Service trolley line.
201105/msg00074:(erielack) Erie Suburban Service 1905-07
72: Very soon thereafter Erie decided to construct the Bergen Arches
29: I just acquired the attached slide that shows train BC-2 arriving at Croxton in October 1975. It's interested to me since it shows a rarely seen view off the Penn Central interchange bridge at KW looking to the south (most shots from this bridge are showing the more interesting yard area to the north). The train is coming off the "New Loop", the EL/PC interchange can be seen swinging off to the right, and there's a neat lone boxcar at North Americal Plywood at the left. The way to the Bergen Archways and Erie Bergen Tunnel is underneath the Routes 1-9 (Tonnelle Ave.) bridge at the distant left, with all the rush-hour traffic on top of it. Also note former D&H 802 leading the train (the higher fans and inertial dust filter bin indicating it's not an EL unit), and the neat consist of cars - a brace of CN boxcars up front, several GT boxcars further back, general New England interchange traffic....
201107/msg00218:Re: (erielack) The "ah-ha!" moment
73: way to the Bergen Archways and Erie Bergen Tunnel is underneath the Routes 1-9
32: Instead Erie built the Bergen Arches. (And thank you
201111/msg00086:Re: (erielack) Trivia Photo part 3
22: I don't know the west end, but on the east end the only other one I can think of would have been at Croxton. I believe that the center two tracks (1&2) of the original Erie Mainline coming out of the Bergen Arches flew over the third track and the (old) loop track coming out of the yard to the Greenwood Lake and Newark Branch just west of the old BR tower. Since I think those tracks (which I know as the high line in EL days) were elevated just to avoid a crossing at grade with the tracks underneath, that would qualify as an Erie fly-over. I never saw it in pre-EL days, or, more precisely, prior to the move of the Erie passenger trains to Hoboken, so I'm not certain about the track arrangement.
201111/msg00089:Re:Re: (erielack) Trivia Photo part 3
26: I don't know the west end, but on the east end the only other one I can think of would have been at Croxton. I believe that the center two tracks (1&2) of the original Erie Mainline coming out of the Bergen Arches flew over the third track and the (old) loop track coming out of the yard to the Greenwood Lake and Newark Branch just west of the old BR tower. Since I think those tracks (which I know as the high line in EL days) were elevated just to avoid a crossing at grade with the tracks underneath, that would qualify as an Erie fly-over. I never saw it in pre-EL days, or, more precisely, prior to the move of the Erie passenger trains to Hoboken, so I'm not certain about the track arrangement.
201112/msg00022:(erielack) The Port Authority and Bergen Tunnel
36: Bergen Arches saw its last train, the so-called
26: The Erie had essentially two separate railroads between Croxton and WJ, Ridgewood Jct. The freight side consisted of Croxton Yard, Tracks 3 and 4 HX to BJ, and the Bergen County Railroad BJ to WJ. The passenger side consisted of Jersey City Terminal, the Bergen Archways, Tracks 1 and 2 through HX to BJ and through Paterson to WJ. Of course, HX Bridge only had two tracks, and thus presented a bottleneck both as a movable bridge and as a short stretch of two tracks through the interlocking limits.
201212/msg00076:RE: (erielack) Fw: Monmouth St Coach yard and the coach(?) yard just north of it
27: 0-8-0 switches the Seaboard facility. The ramp to the Bergen Archways is at
201301/msg00120:Re: (erielack) Jersey City Terminal area
22: Eastbound Northern Branch trains pulled into the Bergen Archways for
201301/msg00110:Re:Re: (erielack) Diamond, Grove Street Nit Picks
20: "Through freight and passenger service to the former Jersey City Terminal of the Erie Railroad coincided with the opening of the 2-track Bergen Tunnel on April 15, 1861. Prior to that date, all service to Jersey City with ferry connection to New York City was operated in conjunction with the New Jersey Railroad and Transportation Company (now [1976] Penn Central) via Marion Junction [Jersey City] through the "Bergen Cut" to harborside. Additional refinements to the Erie Bergen Tunnel Route were completed in 1899 when trackage east of the tunnel was elevated to eliminate 7 road crossings at grade. After 3 years and 8 months of costruction, an all-passenger route was opened through the Bergen Archways on June 12, 1910. This 4-track route allowed segregation of passenger and freight traffic between the Archway and Tunnel routes, respectively. . . " End quote. 24: The Bergen Arches project initially proposed an open cut and bridges for the existing streets above. However, they quickly found a faster and cheaper way: leave the streets and tunnel through theur supporting rock, with open cuts between. The route's west end was at the same level but just south of the old tunnel; it's east end was till just south of the tunnel, but higher. A long curving 4-track viaduct carried it down to existing track level while allowing a freight underpass to get to the yards south of the passenger main and Terminal. There were also yards north of the Terminal. Grove Street sorted all this traffic.
201301/msg00116:Re: Re:Re: (erielack) Diamond, Grove Street Nit Picks
47: > costruction, an all-passenger route was opened through the Bergen Archways 57: > The Bergen Arches project initially proposed an open cut and bridges for
201301/msg00127:Re:Re: (erielack) Jersey City Terminal area
26: Eastbound Northern Branch trains pulled into the Bergen Archways for
201301/msg00135:Re: (erielack) Jersey City Terminal area
20: Wonder if pulling into the Bergen Archways clear of BR and then shoving
201301/msg00138:Re: (erielack) Jersey City Terminal area
44: Wonder if pulling into the Bergen Archways clear of BR and then shovingonto the Newark Branch/Greenwood Lake Branch would have been a betterchoice? The route looks shorter, and it doesn't tie up the "high line"with a shove move to clear the switch to the "new" junction track, waitfor the switch to be thrown and then proceed into Hoboken. Traffic onthe Newark Branch and Greenwood Lake Branch was considerably lighterthan on the Erie Main Line.
201301/msg00202:Re: (erielack) Northern Branch Back-Up Move
22: Unlike Erie Northern Branch passenger trains that used the Bergen Archways 28: use both the Bergen Tunnel or Bergen Archways to access the former Erie
201301/msg00366:(erielack) Erie Railroad trestle that use to exist Jersey City, NJ
20: I might commission a model of the elongated trestle that the Erie Railroad used to reach the Bergen Arches from the Jersey City waterfront. A digitized 1923 aerial photograph of Jersey City with the trestle that I have in mind appears in the middle of the image at the following link:
201301/msg00296:Re: (erielack) End of Northern Branch Service
26: train clear the branch by pulling into the Bergen Archways. The 1st Northern
201301/msg00299:Re: (erielack) End of Northern Branch Service
69: train clear the branch by pulling into the Bergen Archways. The 1st Northern
201301/msg00381:Re: (erielack) Erie Railroad trestle that use to exist Jersey City, NJ
41: >I might commission a model of the elongated trestle that the Erie Railroad used to reach the Bergen Arches from the Jersey City waterfront. A digitized 1923 aerial photograph of Jersey City with the trestle that I have in mind appears in the middle of the image at the following link:
201301/msg00372:Re: (erielack) Erie Railroad trestle that use to exist Jersey City, NJ
32: > I might commission a model of the elongated trestle that the Erie Railroad used to reach the Bergen Arches from the Jersey City waterfront. A digitized 1923 aerial photograph of Jersey City with the trestle that I have in mind appears in the middle of the image at the following link:
201301/msg00371:Re: (erielack) Erie Railroad trestle that use to exist Jersey City, NJ
40: I might commission a model of the elongated trestle that the Erie Railroad usedto reach the Bergen Arches from the Jersey City waterfront. A digitized 1923aerial photograph of Jersey City with the trestle that I have in mind appears inthe middle of the image at the following link:http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=244394&imageID=435215&total=1&num=0&word=435215&s=1¬word=&d=&c=&f=&k=1&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&sort=&;imgs=20&pos=1&e=w
201301/msg00375:Re:(erielack) Erie Railroad trestle that use to exist Jersey
25: I might commission a model of the elongated trestle that the Erie Railroad used to reach the Bergen Arches from the Jersey City waterfront. . . .Does anyone have any images of the trestle shown either trackside or from a a street? Was the trestle concrete, metal, or a combination of both?
201301/msg00380:(erielack) RE: EL Mail List Digest V3 #4454
84: used to reach the Bergen Arches from the Jersey >City waterfront. A
201301/msg00384:Re: (erielack) RE: EL Mail List Digest V3 #4454
95: used to reach the Bergen Arches from the Jersey >City waterfront. A
201311/msg00013:(erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #4730 - Factions
42: Terminal, the Bergen Archways, ferryboats, car floats, huge viaducts etc
201402/msg00115:(erielack) FW: Interesting Collection of Erie Photos
21: series depicting a westbound trip out of Jersey City and through the Bergen Arches. The series continues westward through Secaucus
201402/msg00119:Re: (erielack) FW: Interesting Collection of Erie Photos
31: Bergen Arches. The series continues westward through Secaucus
201402/msg00120:Re: (erielack) FW: Interesting Collection of Erie Photos
41: series depicting a westbound trip out of Jersey City and through the Bergen Arches. The series continues westward through Secaucus
201402/msg00124:Re: (erielack) FW: Interesting Collection of Erie Photos
46: > series depicting a westbound trip out of Jersey City and through the Bergen Arches. The series continues westward through Secaucus
201402/msg00126:RE: (erielack) FW: Interesting Collection of Erie Photos
80: Bergen Arches. The series continues westward through Secaucus and across
201402/msg00127:Re: (erielack) FW: Interesting Collection of Erie Photos
95: > Bergen Arches. The series continues westward through Secaucus and across
201405/msg00198:(erielack) Block Line EL content - June 1977
20: In the June 1977 Block Line, there's discussion about the Erie ore docks, the Bergen Archways getting freight service again (this 42: BERGEN ARCHWAYS MAY SEE SELKIRK FREIGHT: Erie's famous "Bergen Archways," constructed in 1910 as an alternative to the congestion
21: X0006 shows the very start of the second Bergen tunnel construction. What I have never seen before is the curious mix of small plate girder and truss bridges leading to the new tunnel. Does anybody know how long these lasted before today's truss bridges were built? Finally for the Erie fans, note the very ornate brick portal on the Bergen arches below.
19: purpose? Something to do with the construction of the Bergen Arches??
23: Bergen Arches. X0119 and X0118 (posted 1/9/16) appear to show the 34: > purpose? Something to do with the construction of the Bergen Arches??
201608/msg00246:(erielack) New life for the Bergen Archways
3: (erielack) New life for the Bergen Archways 8: Subject: (erielack) New life for the Bergen Archways
201708/msg00068:(erielack) Steamtown Images August 5
20: X2189 from 8/4 and X2190-X2194 all show West End in Jersey City. The DL&W crosses over the Erie/NYSW here just west of the truss bridges over the line from Bergen Archways.
201710/msg00303:Re: (erielack) Public Service Electric Co. Hudson Station
27: Erie's Bergen Archways project (started in 1906) was completed in 1910
201710/msg00304:[REPOST] Re; (erielack) Public Service Electric Co. Hudson Station
32: after the Erie's Bergen Archways project (started in 1906) was completed in
201909/msg00033:Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images-September 2, 2019--X Series (X7582-X7587)
19: Photo X7586-B is aligned with the Holland Tunnel entrance withNew York City across the Hudson River, thereby separating DL&W(left) and Erie (right) facilities along the Hudson River. The start of the 4-track Erie elevation to the Bergen Archways appears off tothe right by a signal bridge not far from where a blurred image of a "Doodlebug" can be seen heading for the Bergen Tunnel.
201909/msg00035:[REPOST] Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images-September 2, 2019--X Series (X7582-X7587)
30: > the 4-track Erie elevation to the Bergen Archways appears off to
201909/msg00037:(erielack) Steamtown Images 9/2/19 X7586B
20: - - on the right are the four track Erie passenger mains to Bergen Archways, next two tracks to the left are freight mains to the old tunnel under Bergen Hill. A blurry gas-electric is visible on the freight track. 21: - - the broad street in the middle is now Boyle Plaza leading to the Holland Tunnel eastbound tube. I see no evidence of toll booths or the actual tunnel entrance. At the bottom of the photo you can just make out the end of “State Hi-way” which crossed Jersey City. Also at the bottom, you can buy Standard gasoline from M.T. Watts at 14 cents a gallon or park for 20 cents. The open lots between the Union Terminal warehouse and the Erie tracks would soon be occupied by the ramp from the highway version of Bergen Archways connecting the Holland Tunnel with the Pulaski Skyway which was a year away from completion.
201909/msg00057:Re: (erielack) Steamtown Images-September 2, 2019--X Series (X7582-X7587)
49: >> the 4-track Erie elevation to the Bergen Archways appears off to
202001/msg00208:Re: (erielack) Question about DL&W Bergen Jct in 1900
27: (neither are the Bergen Archways). Both the Boonton Branch and the
202002/msg00016:(erielack) More Bergen Junction details
24: One other note. Not long after the Erie did a major track upgrade in the area around 1910 or so, as part of the overall Bergen Arches project, they abandoned the ex-M&E bridge that the Paterson and Newark used to cross the Hackensack river, routing the traffic over the Erie DB bridge to the north. The stub end of the Paterson and Newark tracks left on the NJ side of the old M&E bridge were later used to serve Koppers.
202002/msg00017:[REPEAT]: (erielack) More Bergen Junction details
45: area around 1910 or so, as part of the overall Bergen Arches project, they
202002/msg00020:Re: (erielack) More Bergen Junction details
43: > One other note. Not long after the Erie did a major track upgrade in the area around 1910 or so, as part of the overall Bergen Arches project, they abandoned the ex-M&E bridge that the Paterson and Newark used to cross the Hackensack river, routing the traffic over the Erie DB bridge to the north. The stub end of the Paterson and Newark tracks left on the NJ side of the old M&E bridge were later used to serve Koppers.
202002/msg00021:Re: [REPEAT]: (erielack) More Bergen Junction details
54: > area around 1910 or so, as part of the overall Bergen Arches project, they
202002/msg00023:RE: [REPEAT]: (erielack) More Bergen Junction details
66: > area around 1910 or so, as part of the overall Bergen Arches project,
202002/msg00024:Re: [REPEAT]: (erielack) More Bergen Junction details
76: > > area around 1910 or so, as part of the overall Bergen Arches project,
202002/msg00034:(erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #6986
21: One other subject I am having trouble digging up info on is when the first NYSW trestle to fly over the Erie main/Croxton yard lead to Long Dock tunnel was built. It's there by 1896 or so on maps, but don't know how far back it goes, such as to the original NJ Midland. Some early maps don't show it, but maybe they just don't have the detail. In any case it was done away with when the whole area was reconfigured with the Bergen Arches, Erie Pennhorn creek RR, etc around 1910 . Then there was no direct crossing for the NYSW - they had to do reverse moves back towards Croxton to get across (paying fees to the Erie for all of it, or even using Erie crews...)
202002/msg00035:[REPOST] (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #6986
34: done away with when the whole area was reconfigured with the Bergen Arches,
202002/msg00036:Re: [REPOST] (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #6986
26: Anyhow, this bridge was necessary to reach the Exchange Place Terminal with passenger service with the connection at Marion Jct with the PRR's predecessor, the NJRR&T (New Jersey Railroad & Transportation Company -- later, PRR's Exchange Place Branch) over which it had trackage rights, initially as NJ Midlands sole Hudson River terminal. The Montclair Rwy also had a connection with the Hudson Connecting Rwy to reach Jersey City, but I'm not getting into that here. With the Erie's Bergen Archway being completed in 1910, NYSW passenger trains would use both the Erie and the PRR terminal for a brief time (up until December 1, 1911, when operating into the Pennsy's terminal was discontinued. The Susquehanna's trestle was partially dismantled some time after this and just as you went into, any moves of NYS&W cars by the Erie on their Croxton trackage were charged to this subsidiary at this time 56: done away with when the whole area was reconfigured with the Bergen Arches,
202002/msg00037:[REPOST2] (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #6986
54: but I'm not getting into that here. With the Erie's Bergen Archway being 90: done away with when the whole area was reconfigured with the Bergen Arches,
202007/msg00079:(erielack) =?UTF-8?Q?Jersey_City=E2=80=99s_Bergen_Arches_Preservat?= =?UTF-8?Q?ion_Coalition_Joins_High_Line_Network?=
21: Advocates including the BAPC have long hoped that a public park along the Bergen Arches would create a shared-use nature trail as the main corridor for the East Coast Greenway, a national trail from Florida to Maine that seeks to also connect with New York City.
202007/msg00080:(erielack) =?UTF-8?Q?=5BREPOST=5D_=28erielack=29_Jersey_City=E2=80=99s_Bergen_Arches_Pr?= =?UTF-8?Q?eservation_Coalition_Joins_High_Line_Network?=
22: Subject: (erielack) Jersey City’s Bergen Arches Preservation Coalition 31: Bergen Arches would create a shared-use nature trail as the main corridor
202110/msg00078:(erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
202110/msg00079:RE: (erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
40: I found this blank stock certificate from the Jersey City & Bergen Railroad. An internet search turns up nothing. Was this the route for the Bergen Arches?
202110/msg00086:[REPOST] Re:(erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
202110/msg00088:Re: (erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
22: Interesting stock certificate. Noticed is the space to fill in the rest of the century it was to be issued in -- 18XX. It would be interesting to know the complete date(s) of intended issue. As for there being any connection to the Bergen Arches or a planned route for same, this area was nothing but part of the lower New Jersey Palisades blue trap rock before the Erie Railroad first decided to build the Bergen Arches in 1897, parallel to this railroad's two track Bergen Hill Tunnel (otherwise known as Long Dock Tunnel) built between 1856 and 1861 by the Erie's "Long Dock Company" and contracted with James H. Mallery (of Newburgh, NY) with John P. Cummings taking over in February 1859 where Mallery left off and who, in turn, turned over the contract almost 4 months later to Alfred B. Seymour.. 24: The Erie started building the nearly mile long, four track Bergen Arches in 1906 (using 250,000 tons of dynamite, removing 800,000 cubic yards of stone), finishing in 1910, without the help of a Jersey City & Bergen Railroad nor without any affiliation to a JC&B RR. And as I'm sure you know, the JC&B RR was never a predecessor of the Erie Railroad; it's original name, the New York & Erie Railroad, chartered by the State of New York on April 24, 1832. The JC&B doesn't seem to enter this picture where the Bergen Arches are concerned, albeit, the certificate is noteworthy.. Thanks for sharing. 47: Bergen Arches?
202110/msg00089:Re: (erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
21: Interesting stock certificate. Noticed is the space to fill in the rest of the century it was to be issued in -- 18XX. It would be interesting to know the complete date(s) of intended issue. As for there being any connection to the Bergen Arches or a planned route for same, this was nothing but part of the lower New Jersey Palisades blue trap rock before the Erie Railroad first decided to build the Bergen Arches in 1897, parallel to this railroad's two track Bergen Hill Tunnel (otherwise known as Long Dock Tunnel) built between 1856 and 1861 by the Erie's "Long Dock Company" and contracted with James H. Mallery (of Newburgh, NY) with John P. Cummings taking over in February 1859 where Mallery left off and who, in turn, turned over the contract almost 4 months later to Alfred B. Seymour.. 23: The Erie started building the nearly mile long, four track Bergen Arches in 1906 (using 250,000 tons of dynamite, removing 800,000 cubic yards of stone), finishing in 1910 without the help of a Jersey City & Bergen Railroad nor with any affiliation to a JC&B RR. And as we know, the JC&B RR was never a predecessor of the Erie Railroad; it's original name, the New York & Erie Railroad, chartered by the State of New York on April 24, 1832. The JC&B doesn't seem to enter this picture where the Bergen Arches are concerned, albeit, the certificate is noteworthy.. 46: Bergen Arches?
202110/msg00091:Re: [REPOST] Re:(erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
202110/msg00093:[REPOST] Re: (erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
31: connection to the Bergen Arches or a planned route for same, this area was 33: the Erie Railroad first decided to build the Bergen Arches in 1897, 41: The Erie started building the nearly mile long, four track Bergen Arches in 48: the Bergen Arches are concerned, albeit, the certificate is noteworthy.. 72: Bergen Arches?
202110/msg00094:Re: [REPOST] Re:(erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
202110/msg00096:RE: [REPOST] Re:(erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
57: I found this blank stock certificate from the Jersey City & Bergen Railroad. An internet search turns up nothing. Was this the route for the Bergen Arches?
202110/msg00098:RE: [REPOST] Re:(erielack) Jersey City & Bergen Railroad?
202206/msg00020:Re: [REPOST] Re: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #7485
29: Prior to the New Loop connection, the train would have to either divert down the Greenwood Lake Lead into the Bergen Archways, and then back through BR into the piggyback tracks; or take the "Old Loop", which dumps you out at the west side of the yard, and then you'd have to go out via HX and then shove backwards into the piggyback tracks.
202206/msg00037:Re: (erielack) Diamond Vol 36 No. 2 - Slightly Better Map
22: First, how did Northern Branch trains accomplish the shove move to get into Hoboken Terminal? It seems from the map that this could be most easily accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway, then shoving back onto the Greenwood Lake Lead and the Third Track to the 1955 Ramp, and then moving forward via the 1955 Ramp and Boonton Line/M&E into Hoboken. If this is not how it were done, a corrected description of the operation is of great interest to me.
202206/msg00039:Re: (erielack) Diamond Vol 36 No. 2 - Slightly Better Map
43: First, how did Northern Branch trains accomplish the shove move to get into Hoboken Terminal? It seems from the map that this could be most easily accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway, then shoving back onto the Greenwood Lake Lead and the Third Track to the 1955 Ramp, and then moving forward via the 1955 Ramp and Boonton Line/M&E into Hoboken. If this is not how it were done, a corrected description of the operation is of great interest to me.
202206/msg00040:[REPOST] Re: (erielack) Diamond Vol 36 No. 2 - Slightly Better Map
61: accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway, then
202206/msg00043:Re: (erielack) Diamond Vol 36 No. 2 - Slightly Better Map
66: > First, how did Northern Branch trains accomplish the shove move to get into Hoboken Terminal? It seems from the map that this could be most easily accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway, then shoving back onto the Greenwood Lake Lead and the Third Track to the 1955 Ramp, and then moving forward via the 1955 Ramp and Boonton Line/M&E into Hoboken. If this is not how it were done, a corrected description of the operation is of great interest to me.
202206/msg00044:Re: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #7491
67: > easily accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway,
202206/msg00045:Re: (erielack) Re: EL Mail List Digest V3 #7491
77: > easily accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway,
25: accomplished by running forward onto the lead to the Bergen Archway, then
202206/msg00057:Re: (erielack) Northern Branch Move
3: (erielack) Bergen Arches 8: Subject: (erielack) Bergen Arches 20: Related to this discussion of the Northern branch and the backup, when did the Bergen Archway go down to one track? Jim S
202206/msg00059:[REPOST] Re: (erielack) Bergen Arches
3: [REPOST] Re: (erielack) Bergen Arches 8: Subject: [REPOST] Re: (erielack) Bergen Arches 22: Subject: (erielack) Bergen Arches 28: the Bergen Archway go down to one track? Jim S
202206/msg00063:(erielack) Bergen Arches - Single Track
3: (erielack) Bergen Arches - Single Track 8: Subject: (erielack) Bergen Arches - Single Track 22: did the Bergen Archway go down to one track? Jim S 34: the Bergen Arches taken in July, 1958 showing a single track in the 56: Bergen Arches 1957.
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